[Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"

[Hannu Tommola]

  For a Finnish speaker this is the only plausible solution..;-) ,
besides, it seems still to be possible to use the German _verstecken_
in this way, too. See Duden Wörterbuch: Sie versteckte das Geld in
ihrem Schreibtisch / (selten:) in ihren Schreibtisch.

Best,
Hannu

Quoting Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk>:

> I am a German speaker and immediately I find the Finnish solution
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> problem seems to be with German ‘verstecken,’ that is not seen as a
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>    There are other German verbs like that, e.g. anbringen, ablegen,
> abstellen, parken, archivieren, speichern, … that work the same.
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>    Same with Danish /gemme/ ‘verstecken, aufheben’:
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>     HARTMUT HABERLAND
> Professor emeritus
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> Department of Communication and Arts
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>      FRA: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> På
> VEGNE AF Joo Ian
> SENDT: 11. oktober 2018 13:01
> TIL: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> EMNE: [Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"
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>     Dear all,
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>     I am interested in the following hypothesis:
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>     Although there are few languages where the PP of (1) and (2) are
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>     But cases like Finnish are far fewer than English-like cases, I think.
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>     I think this is interesting because the PP of (1) and that of
> (2) are semantically different: the PP in (1) is a location whereas
> that in PP is the endpoint of a placement event. If I can show that
> the two PPs are morphologically identical in most of the world's
> languages, then I can suggest that placement event profiles a static
> location as its endpoint and not a dynamic goal, like Rohde has
> argued in her dissertation
> (https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015)
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>     Although I find this issue interesting, I would like to know if
> others find it so as well. What do you think? (Also, I would
> appreciate if anyone can let me know any other Finnish-like cases)
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>      From Hong Kong,
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>      Ian Joo
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  Hannu Tommola
Professor emer. of Russian Language (Translation Theory and Practice)
School of Language, Translation and Literary Studies
FIN-33014 University of Tampere, Finland
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