[Lingtyp] valence markers and wide scope

Tue Apr 16 18:56:11 UTC 2019

Thanks for the comments David, Jurgen and David!

The Nuuchahnulth data is fascinating and the copying phenomena is
particularly striking! There's nothing like copying in the domain of
coordinate (or coordinate-like) constructions in Chacobo.

Basically what I'm looking at are constructions like what follows, where
the causative cannot be elided in certain constructions, but can be in
others

Asyndetic coordination: =ma causative wide-scope is banned, it must occur
in both forms.

[image: image.png]

Syndetic same subject coordination, the =ma *can* (does not have to) be
elided and have wide scope.
[image: image.png]

There are some valence markers that are not fully productive (they only
occur with certain roots) and these ones cannot be elided under
coordination. The passive is an example of a valence-adjustment morpheme
that is fully productive and also cannot elide in any construction from
what I can tell.

[image: image.png]
But interestingly it can variably order with the causative morpheme - so
there's evidence that it is structurally in the same position, but for some
reason it cannot elide.

Adam

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 3:40 AM David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de> wrote:

> Dear Adam,
>
> The following Tagalog sentence was a ubiquitous campaign slogan during the
> 1986 presidential elections in the Philippines (in support of incumbent
> candidate Ferdinand Marcos and his infamous wife Imelda):
>
> (1) Mag Marcos at Marcos tayo
>     TOPFOC.IMPF Marcos and Marcos 1PL.INCL.TOP
>     'Let's Marcos and Marcos'
> In (1), the conjunction "Marcos at Marcos" is in the scope of "Mag", which
> expresses topic-focus voice and also imperfect aspect.
>
> In standard Tagalog orthography, "mag" (and other similar forms) are
> written joined on to their following hosts, though in recent social media
> I've noticed that occasionally they are written separately.  In the
> following article, I used evidence from a ludling to argue that "mag" and
> other similar forms are clitics rather than prefixes:
>
> Gil, David (1996) "How to Speak Backwards in Tagalog", in *Pan-Asiatic
> Linguistics, Proceedings of the Fourth International Symposium on Language
> and Linguistics*, *January 8-10, 1996, *Institute of Language and Culture
> for Rural Development, Mahidol University at Salaya, Volume 1, 297-306.
>
>
> On the other hand, I think it is pretty clear that these forms are not
> separate words, though obviously this needs to be argued for explicitly ...
>
> I suspect that somebody  with a better knowledge of Tagalog could come up
> with additional examples such as (1).
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> On 16/04/2019 04:24, Adam James Ross Tallman wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has come across cases of
> valence morphemes/derivations described as "affixes" or "clitics" that can
> have wide-scope over coordinated verbs, like in English (imagining the
> passive is just marked by "was").
>
> "The monkey was lifted up and untied (by his mother)"
>
> but where the passive morpheme is analyzed as an affix or a clitic (by
> someone) - presumably in such cases there would be no "government" of the
> verb forms as there is in English.
>
> I've found in Chacobo the bound affix/clitics vary in terms of whether
> they can have wide scope depending on the type of coordinate/subordinate
> construction, and right now the difference seems to be a somewhat arbitrary
> structural fact (indeed I just analyze it as a difference in the "size" of
> the constituent being coordinated).
>
> But I have a suspicion that there is something else about the semantics of
> valency and its relationship to wide-scope, so any pointers would be very
> appreciated.
>
> best,
>
> Adam
>
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