[Lingtyp] Plural markers on (already) plural pronouns

[Jeremy Bradley]

This happens in Mari dialects as well: the pronouns nine 'these' and 
nuno 'those; they' can be encountered with the adnominal plural marker 
-βlak: nine-βlak, nuno-βlak.

All the best,
Jeremy

On 16/11/2019 15:21, Johanna Laakso wrote:
> The Hungarian case is a bit different: the -nk element in "mink" ‘we’ 
> is, as Edith writes, a possessor or subject-person 1PL marker. But the 
> use of general common-noun plural markers on plural pronouns actually 
> does occur in some Uralic languages (and also independently of 
> contacts with Turkic). In quite a few Finnic varieties, we have 
> nominative plural markers (Proto-Finnic -t or its reflexes) on the 
> plural personal (and sometimes also demonstrative) pronouns, as in Far 
> North Finnish dialects (also Kven and Meänkieli) met, tet, het ‘we, 
> you.PL, they’ (~ Standard Finnish me, te, he). In the inflection of 
> Finnic plural pronouns, the plural element occurs regularly, as in 
> Standard Finnish me-i-lle we-PL-ADESSIVE ‘to us’ (cf. talo-i-lle ‘to 
> the houses’). Komi dialects have (as opposed to Standard Komi najö 
> ‘they’) also ‘they’ pronouns carrying the regular (a Permic 
> innovation) plural marker -jas: najöjas or najas ‘they’.
>
> And, in fact, coming back to Hungarian, it regularly builds the plural 
> forms of third-person and demonstrative pronouns with the general 
> common-noun plural marker -k: ők ‘they’ (ő ‘s/he’), eze-k ‘these’ (ez 
> ‘this’), azo-k ‘those’ (az ‘that’).
>
> Best
> Johanna
>
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>> Edith A Moravcsik <edith at uwm.edu <mailto:edith at uwm.edu>> kirjoitti 
>> 15.11.2019 kello 19.52:
>>
>> Hello Ponrawee,
>> In Hungarian, the first person plural pronoun is monomorphemic/mi/. 
>> However, in some colloquial versions,
>> the form/mink/also occurs. The ending -/nk/is a first person plural 
>> suffix on verbs and on possessions, e.g.:
>>
>> usz-unk ‘we are swimming’
>> csodá-nk ‘our  miracle’’
>>
>> Best,
>> Edith M.
>> *From:*Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org 
>> <mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>>*On Behalf 
>> Of*Ponrawee Prasertsom
>> *Sent:*Friday, November 15, 2019 10:01 AM
>> *To:*lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org 
>> <mailto:lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> *Subject:*[Lingtyp] Plural markers on (already) plural pronouns
>> Dear all,
>> I have been looking at a number of Tai languages and found that in 
>> some of these languages, plural pronouns can optionally take a plural 
>> marker normally used on common nouns. For instance, in Shan 
>> (Southwestern Tai), the third person plural pronoun/khau/can 
>> optionally take the plural marker/cɯ(nai)/, viz./khau cɯ(nai)--/at 
>> least according to Cushing 1871.
>> Assuming this analysis is correct (if it's not please kindly inform 
>> me), I'm wondering how rare this is for pronouns? A quick lookup 
>> revealed that a similar phenomenon called "double plural marking" is 
>> found in some languages, but seems to be restricted to common nouns 
>> only. Does anyone know of any other instances like this for pronouns 
>> in other languages?
>> Sources: Cushing, Josiah Nelson. Grammar of the Shan Language. 
>> Rangoon: American Mission Press, 1871.
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> Ponrawee Prasertsom
>> Graduate Student
>> Department of Linguistics
>> Faculty of Arts, Chulalongkorn University
>> Bangkok, Thailand
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