[Lingtyp] Lingtyp Digest, Vol 65, Issue 10
Joseph Brooks
brooks.josephd at gmail.com
Wed Feb 12 14:14:38 UTC 2020
Hi Alice,
In Chini (Ramu family, PNG) there is a proximal vocative =ga and a distal
vocative =i, though these only attach to people's names. (The vocative =ma
that attaches to pronouns does not distinguish distance, however.)
Cheers
Joseph
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> 1. Call for Papers: Crosslinguistic Perspectives on Processing
> and Learning (X-PPL) 2020 (Sebastian Sauppe)
> 2. Vocative markers expressing distance (Alice Gaby)
> 3. Re: Vocative markers expressing distance (Harold Koch)
> 4. Re: Vocative markers expressing distance (ARNOLD Laura)
> 5. Re: The (ab)use of the term "theory" in (generative)
> linguistics (David Gil)
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> In the past few decades, there has been increasing evidence suggesting that
> the distribution of linguistic features among the world?s languages is
> influenced by processing principles of the human mind and brain and that,
> conversely, processing and cognition may be shaped by the specific
> linguistic experiences we are exposed to. Although it has not yet reached
> mainstream research, the cross-linguistic study of language processing and
> learning has received more attention in recent years.
>
> The *Crosslinguistic Perspectives on Processing and Learning* workshop
> (X-PPL) aims to fill this gap and provide a platform for cross-linguistic
> research on language processing and learning. X-PPL 2020 will be held at
> the University of Zurich, August 31 ? September 1, 2020.
>
> We invite contributions for 20-minute talks on the interface of linguistic
> diversity and language processing, encompassing production, comprehension,
> and acquisition. Specifically, we invite contributions presenting new
> evidence on:
>
> - Whether and how grammars are shaped by (cognitive and neurobiological)
> constraints on processing, learning, and external pressures
> - Whether and how the different grammatical properties of linguistic
> systems might afford the application of different processing and learning
> strategies
>
> We welcome in particular:
>
> - Studies examining production, comprehension, or developmental
> phenomena in one or more language(s) chosen for differences in their
> grammatical characteristics
> - Experimental studies on under-researched languages providing
> implications for existing processing and acquisition theories
> - Studies providing processing-based or learning-based explanations of
> language change and typological distributions
>
> Keynote speakers:
>
> - Asli Ozyurek <https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/ <
> https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/>> (Max Planck
> Institute for Psycholinguistics / Radboud University)
> - Elena Lieven
> <https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html <
> https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html>>
> (University of Manchester)
> - Matt Wagers <https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/ <
> https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/>> (University of
> California Santa Cruz)
>
> Abstracts should be submitted as PDFs
> <https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020 <
> https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020>>, no later than *15th
> April 2020*, and should not exceed one A4 page (one additional page for
> interlinear-glossed examples, references, and figures is allowed).
>
>
> Organizers:
>
> - Carmen Saldana
> - Caroline Andrews
> - Sebastian Sauppe
> - Jekaterina Mazara
> - Balthasar Bickel
> - Sabine Stoll
>
> Workshop homepage:
> https://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en/events/x-ppl2020.html <
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> From: Alice Gaby <alice.gaby at monash.edu>
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> Dear all,
>
> My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers
> (morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For
> example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative
> suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal
> addressees (-(o)oy):
>
> kaath-ang
> mother-VOC.PRX
> 'hey mother!'
>
> nint-al-ey
> 2sg-PVS-VOC.MED
> 'hey you!'
>
> niy-al-ooy
> 2pl-PVS-VOC.DST
> 'hey you!'
>
> We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data from
> other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a clearly
> morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu Nganhcara. But
> Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume and/or vowel
> lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee distance in
> languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu, Nyigina,
> Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses on
> Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to see
> analogous examples from elsewhere.
>
> I'll post a summary of responses to the list.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Alice
>
> --
> Alice Gaby
> Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics
> <
> http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/
> >
> School of Languages, Literatures, Cultures and Linguistics
> Monash University
> Victoria 3800
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 (0)3 9902 4169 | Fax: +61 (0)3 9905-5437 | E:
> Alice.Gaby at monash.edu
> Visit: W503, 20 Chancellors Walk (formerly: Menzies Building)
> https://sites.google.com/monash.edu/alice-gaby
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> unceded lands on which Monash University operates.
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> From: Harold Koch <Harold.Koch at anu.edu.au>
> To: "alice.gaby at monash.edu" <alice.gaby at monash.edu>,
> "<LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>"
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> Hi Alice
> For Kaytetye, where all words end in /e/ = schwa, I analyse the two
> so-called distortions as:
> -aye address = vocative ‘hey you!’
> -awe exclamative ‘hey, its X!’
> Harold Koch
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> On Behalf Of
> Alice Gaby
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2020 3:22 PM
> To: <LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> >
> Subject: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance
>
> Dear all,
>
> My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers
> (morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For
> example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative
> suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal
> addressees (-(o)oy):
>
> kaath-ang
> mother-VOC.PRX
> 'hey mother!'
>
> nint-al-ey
> 2sg-PVS-VOC.MED
> 'hey you!'
>
> niy-al-ooy
> 2pl-PVS-VOC.DST
> 'hey you!'
>
> We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data
> from other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a
> clearly morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu
> Nganhcara. But Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume
> and/or vowel lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee
> distance in languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu,
> Nyigina, Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses
> on Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to
> see analogous examples from elsewhere.
>
> I'll post a summary of responses to the list.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Alice
>
> --
> Alice Gaby
> Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics<
> http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/
> >
> School of Languages, Literatures, Cultures and Linguistics
> Monash University
> Victoria 3800
> Australia
> Ph: +61 (0)3 9902 4169 | Fax: +61 (0)3 9905-5437 | E:
> Alice.Gaby at monash.edu<mailto:Alice.Gaby at monash.edu>
> Visit: W503, 20 Chancellors Walk (formerly: Menzies Building)
> https://sites.google.com/monash.edu/alice-gaby
>
> -----
> I acknowledge the Elders (past, present, emerging) and owners of the
> unceded lands on which Monash University operates.
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> From: ARNOLD Laura <Laura.Arnold at ed.ac.uk>
> To: "alice.gaby at monash.edu" <alice.gaby at monash.edu>,
> "<LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>"
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> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance
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> (I just tried to send this, but received an error message so I'm
> re-sending – apologies if this is a duplicate...)
>
> Dear Alice,
>
> In Ambel (Austronesian > South Halmahera-West New Guinea), e is the
> vocative used over short distances, and u is a used over greater distances.
> See p617 of the Ambel grammar (
> https://www.academia.edu/38010930/A_grammar_of_Ambel_An_Austronesian_language_of_Raja_Ampat_west_New_Guinea
> ).
>
> All the best,
> Laura
>
> ~~~
> Laura Arnold
> British Academy Postdoctoral Fellow
>
> Room 1.13, Dugald Stewart Building
> School of Philosophy, Psychology & Language Sciences
> University of Edinburgh
> ________________________________
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Harold Koch <Harold.Koch at anu.edu.au>
> Sent: 12 February 2020 04:43
> To: alice.gaby at monash.edu <alice.gaby at monash.edu>; <
> LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance
>
>
> Hi Alice
>
> For Kaytetye, where all words end in /e/ = schwa, I analyse the two
> so-called distortions as:
>
> -aye address = vocative ‘hey you!’
>
> -awe exclamative ‘hey, its X!’
>
> Harold Koch
>
>
>
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> On Behalf Of
> Alice Gaby
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2020 3:22 PM
> To: <LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> >
> Subject: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers
> (morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For
> example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative
> suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal
> addressees (-(o)oy):
>
>
>
> kaath-ang
>
> mother-VOC.PRX
>
> 'hey mother!'
>
>
>
> nint-al-ey
>
> 2sg-PVS-VOC.MED
>
> 'hey you!'
>
>
>
> niy-al-ooy
>
> 2pl-PVS-VOC.DST
>
> 'hey you!'
>
>
>
> We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data
> from other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a
> clearly morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu
> Nganhcara. But Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume
> and/or vowel lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee
> distance in languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu,
> Nyigina, Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses
> on Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to
> see analogous examples from elsewhere.
>
>
>
> I'll post a summary of responses to the list.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Alice
>
>
>
> --
>
> Alice Gaby
>
> Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics<
> http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/
> >
>
> School of Languages, Literatures, Cultures and Linguistics
> Monash University
> Victoria 3800
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 (0)3 9902 4169 | Fax: +61 (0)3 9905-5437 | E:
> Alice.Gaby at monash.edu<mailto:Alice.Gaby at monash.edu>
>
> Visit: W503, 20 Chancellors Walk (formerly: Menzies Building)
>
> https://sites.google.com/monash.edu/alice-gaby
>
> -----
> I acknowledge the Elders (past, present, emerging) and owners of the
> unceded lands on which Monash University operates.
>
> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland,
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> From: David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
> To: <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in
> (generative) linguistics
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> There is also the use of "theoretical" as a would-be antonym to
> "descriptive" — with the latter often preceded by words such as "just"
> or "merely", in order to reinforce the assumption that being
> "theoretical" is somehow a higher or more worthy endeavor than being
> "descriptive". Since it is clearly impossible to describe any aspect of
> language without adopting some kind of theory (e.g. with regard to such
> basic stuff as what constitutes a segment when you're transcribing a
> text), the presupposition that theory stands in opposition to
> description is both confusing, as suggested by Martin, but also
> pernicious — the latter because it expresses a totalitarian attitude
> whereby if you're not adopting the "right" theory, you're not adopting
> any theory whatsoever.
>
> On 11/02/2020 12:38, Eitan Grossman wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In oral comments and reviews, I encounter two main uses of "theory"
> > and "theoretical." One is simply an autonym of generative linguists,
> > as in "John only hangs out with theoretical linguists" or "Mary does
> > great fieldwork but we want to hire a theoretician."
> > You might also encounter something along the lines of "This abstract
> > makes some very interesting observations but does not reference the
> > theoretical literature, and it is unclear how it relates to theory."
> >
> > The other use is something like "having a point (beyond describing
> > facts)" or "referencing general linguistic literature."
> >
> > But in my experience, the first is by far the most common.
> >
> > Eitan
> >
> >
> > בתאריך יום ג׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2020, 12:16, מאת paolo Ramat
> > <paolo.ramat at unipv.it <mailto:paolo.ramat at unipv.it>>:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > Martin H. has written that <<there is confusion also about ]...]
> > the relation between "typology" and "theory">>. I fully agree. But
> > Martin says further that <<the term "theory" can be used as a
> > count noun , or as a mass noun ("linguistic theory", "grammatical
> > theory">>. This sounds rather strange: I had always thought that
> > mass nouns are nouns such as 'sugar', 'blood', 'sand' etc. Can we
> > consider abstract nouns like 'philosophy','theology' or even
> > 'democracy' as mass nouns? Let alone by adding an adjective as in
> > "linguistic/grammatic theory". This is not the habitual use of the
> > term and sounds confusing.
> > Paolo
> >
> >
> > prof. dr. Paolo Ramat
> > Università di Pavia (retired)
> > Istituto Universitario Studi Superiori (IUSS Pavia) (retired)
> > Accademia dei Lincei, Socio corrispondente
> > 'Academia Europaea'
> > 'Societas Linguistica Europaea', Honorary Member
> > piazzetta Arduino 11 - I 27100 Pavia
> > ##39 0382 27027
> > 347 044 98 44
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 11 feb 2020 alle ore 10:47 Haspelmath, Martin
> > <haspelmath at shh.mpg.de <mailto:haspelmath at shh.mpg.de>> ha scritto:
> >
> > I would talk about "confusion", not about "abuse", because
> > there are many different kinds of linguistic theories.
> > Moreover, the term "theory" can be used as a count noun (as in
> > the last sentence), or as a mass noun ("linguistic theory",
> > "grammatical theory"). Linguists rarely reflect on kinds of
> > theories, or on kinds of senses of the word "theory", and the
> > papers that Hartmut mentioned have not become well-known. So
> > there is a lot of confusion.
> >
> > In my 2010 paper on "Framework-free grammatical theory"
> > (https://zenodo.org/record/814947), I distinguished four
> > senses of "theory".
> >
> > But there is confusion also about the relation between
> > "typology" and "theory": Quite a few people have contrasted
> > them as if they were different ways of doing linguistics, or
> > different parts of research, e.g.
> >
> > Hengeveld, Kees. 1992. /Non-verbal predication: Theory,
> > typology, diachrony/. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
> > Polinsky, Maria & Robert Kluender. 2007. Linguistic typology
> > and theory construction: Common challenges ahead. /Linguistic
> > Typology/ 11(1). 273–283.
> > Van Langendonck, Willy. 2008. /Theory and typology of proper
> > names/. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.
> >
> > But on the other hand, it is clear that "atheoretical
> > typology" is impossible, so this usage is confusing. See this
> > recent blogpost, which proposes an alternative:
> > https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1915
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > On 11.02.20 10:18, Hartmut Haberland wrote:
> >>
> >> Jün-Tin Wang 1973. ”On the representation of generative
> >> grammars as first-order theories.” In: Radu J. Bogdan and
> >> Ilkka Niinilouto eds. /Logic,/ /Language and Probability/.
> >> Dordrecht: Reidel, 302-316
> >>
> >> Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1974. "Grammars as theories: The case for
> >> axiomatic grammar (Part I)". /Theoretical Linguistics/ 1:
> 39-115.
> >>
> >> Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1976. "Grammars as theories: The case for
> >> axiomatic grammar (Part II)". /Theoretical Linguistics/3: 1-98.
> >>
> >> *Fra:*Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk> <mailto:hartmut at ruc.dk
> >
> >> *Sendt:* 11. februar 2020 09:33
> >> *Til:* TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
> >> <mailto:Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
> >> *Emne:* Re: [Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in
> >> (generative) linguistics
> >>
> >> Hans-Heinrich Lieb has written extensively about this in the
> >> 70s, also Jün-tin Wang. Hartmut
> >>
> >>
> >> Den 11. feb. 2020 kl. 07.12 skrev TALLMAN Adam
> >> <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr <mailto:Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>>:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any sources that discuss the abuse of
> >> the term "theory" in generative linguistics (or in
> >> linguistics generally)? I figure that a paper like this
> >> must exist given the deeply insightful comments that I
> >> have received by some reviewers.
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> Adam James Ross Tallman (PhD, UT Austin)
> >>
> >> ELDP-SOAS -- Postdoctorant
> >> CNRS -- Dynamique Du Langage (UMR 5596)
> >> Bureau 207, 14 av. Berthelot, Lyon (07)
> >>
> >> Numero celular en bolivia: +59163116867
> >>
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