[Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Fri Jun 26 10:02:22 UTC 2020

Yes, and actually Bloomfield used "agreement" as a cover term for "concord", "government", and "cross-reference", but as Cysouw notes in the paper Martin refers to, the term is now normally restricted to what was earlier called "concord".

Östen

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But the term 'agreement' has been around in writings about grammar for centuries. Here is the relevant entry from the OED:

6. Grammar. The fact or condition of agreeing in number, gender, case, person, etc., with another element in the sentence or clause. Cf. concord n.1 6<https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/38345#eid8665709>.
1549   W. Lily Shorte Introd. Gram. (new ed.) To Rdr. sig. Aiii   Lette hym passe to the Concordes, to knowe the agreement of partes amonge theim selues.
1669   J. Milton Accedence 41   The agreement of words together in Number, Gender, Case, and Person, which is call'd Concord.
1787   H. Blair Lect. Rhetoric (ed. 3) I. viii. 200   When I say, in Latin, 'Formosa fortis viri uxor', it is only the agreement, in gender, number, and case, of the adjective 'formosa'..with the substantive 'uxor'..that declares the meaning.
1879   J. A. H. Murray in Trans. Philol. Soc. 619   In the English 'the men push the stone,' we have neither formal expression of the destination [of the action] nor formal agreement of verb and subject.
1979   Amer. Speech 1976 51 134   Of the nine problems covered, subject-verb agreement receives a thorough treatment.
2004   H. Barber et al. in M. Carreiras & C. Clifton On-line Study Sentence Comprehension xv. 315   Agreement in gender between nouns and adjectives is mandatory in Spanish.

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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Maybe if you're Danish (like Hartmut and Nigel), or were otherwise raised in some small (and rich) European country, then understanding many of these languages is kind of natural.

But somehow asking *all linguists* to be like this seems Eurocentric to me. Korean/Chinese linguists (like Ian Joo) or African linguists will simply not have the chance to encounter so many languages in which other linguists have written relevant work. (In Africa, even big languages like Hausa and Yoruba are rarely used for academic purposes, it seems.)

On the other hand, it's also ethnocentric to only cite work by American linguists and somehow assume that there is nothing else of relevance.

So what's the solution? I think it must be (i) practical universalism (only use English/Globish), combined with (ii) awareness of the parochialism of English-language traditions.

As an example of the latter, consider the term "agreement": As I realized only after reading Cysouw (2011) (https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/17668/1/thli.2011.011.pdf), this term did not exist in linguistics before Bloomfield (1933), and the relevant concepts didn't exist earlier either. Same with "grammatical relation" (due to Chomsky 1965), "focus" (due to Chomsky 1970), and quite a few other terms. Natural as these terms seem to us, they may not be the results of scientific discoveries that we made, but mostly due to the spread of the English language (and the influence of a few linguists working at rich U.S. universities).

Universalism and parochialism are in a certain tension, but I think we really need to adopt both at the same time if we want to progress in our scientific understanding of language(s).

Martin
Am 26.06.20 um 11:22 schrieb Hartmut Haberland:

Et si l'article porte sur le grec moderne, il doit souvent se référer à la tradition grammaticale grecque (Tzartzanos) ou française (Roussel, Mirambel). Restricting oneself to discourses in one language is myopic. Most linguists really need to read more than just two or three languages to keep up with the relevant literature, but how many do?

(Robert E. Wall said in the famous McCawley Festschrift, "More people can make out what it is about in French than actually read it".)

To take a concrete example: Acta Linguistica Hafniensia was founded in 1939 and its first issue contained papers in German, French and English. Today, it still calls itself an 'international journal', but now practically all papers are in English, with very few exceptions. However, if you take a random issue (51(1), May 2019), apart from one paper specifically dealing with English, there are references to literature in German, French, Greek, Norwegian, and Swedish. So linguists are at least not passively monolingual.

Hartmut Haberland

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Emne: Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Et si l'article est sur une langue romane mais les références jugées indispensables sont écrites en allemand ou en danois ... ?

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Subject: AW: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Je pense que oui...  Actually, the same applies to articles on (a language from) other language groups (e.g., Slavic) or subgroups (e.g., Scandinavian)...

BW

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Betreff: Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Si l'article est sur une langue romane et que les références jugées indispensables sont écrites dans une langue romane, il me semblerait devoir être rejeté, oui.

GA

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:52 AM Nigel Vincent <nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk<mailto:nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>> wrote:

A related question to Ian's that I have sometimes thought about concerns the languages a researcher should be able to read in order to access relevant scholarship. Should, for example, a paper be rejected or revisions asked for if someone writing in English on a general linguistic topic has not cited relevant work written in a language other than English?

Nigel

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