[Lingtyp] languages of scholarship

Fri Jun 26 11:59:35 UTC 2020

Martin

I defer to colleagues more knowledgeable than I (especially those at
LLACAN, Paris) but there are certainly recent publications on Cape Verde
Creole (located in West Africa) in Portuguese, and maybe also on Angolan
languages. My former colleague Lameen Souag compiled a listing some years
ago of resources about endangered languages in Arabic that ran to hundreds
of entries so perhaps he or others can comment.

I am reluctant to accept a defeatist attitude re publication in languages
other than English -- it seems to me just as you took on closed access
publishers with Language Science Press there is a place for multilingual
activism in publication, especially in support of early career colleagues
in places like Latin America or Francophonie. If Nigel can get TPhS to
publish an article in French then why not you with LSP?

Peter

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 12:36, Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at shh.mpg.de>
wrote:

> Peter, are there actually linguistics papers published in Arabic? Is
> Portuguese still being used to write about African languages? (It seems to
> me that only English and French are relevant for African linguistics these
> days.)
>
> But to the larger point: Some Europeans may be proud of the various other
> (European) languages they can read, but de facto, young linguists are not
> competitive if they publish in other languages. And certainly, papers in
> general linguistics usually have zero impact if they are not written in
> English.
>
> Sad as it may be, this is the reality of the 21st century. We may deplore
> it, but we will hardly be able to change it. (What we *may* be able to do
> is change the name we use for our common language: Globish.)
>
> Martin
>
> P.S. Thanks to Nigel and Harald for the additional info on "agreement" –
> really useful!
>
> Am 26.06.20 um 13:21 schrieb Peter Austin:
>
> With all due respect, I find it incredible that someone could write:
> "publishing new papers in languages other than English. I personally have
> strong reservations here. Linguistics is such a complicated matter and it
> is often so difficult to exactly understand others. I think one should not
> make the problem of mutual understanding even larger by publishing in
> languages other than English (unless there is absolutely no escape). ... If
> you publish in languages other than English then you need a sort of
> hierarchy of which languages are considered publishable (German, French,
> Russian ?, Latvian ??) and which are not".
>
> There are hundreds of excellent research papers in linguistics and related
> fields published annually in languages like Chinese, Japanese and Arabic,
> much of which never pierces the consciousness of English-only researchers
> because of attitudes like having language hierarchies composed entirely of
> European languages. Sheesh.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:58, Ilja Seržant <ilja.serzants at uni-leipzig.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> if I may add another perspective to this. I think passive knowledge of
>> other languages is, of course, important and if a paper does not cite an
>> important paper on the topic written in a language other than English that
>> is, of course, a good reason for sending the paper back for revision.
>>
>>
>> However, a very different topic is publishing new papers in languages
>> other than English. I personally have strong reservations here. Linguistics
>> is such a complicated matter and it is often so difficult to exactly
>> understand others. I think one should not make the problem of mutual
>> understanding even larger by publishing in languages other than English
>> (unless there is absolutely no escape). Even more, perhaps, research
>> English itself should also be different from the native English in that one
>> should try to avoid dialectal, non-transparent idiomatic expressions, write
>> in short sentences, etc.
>>
>>
>> If you publish in languages other than English then you need a sort of
>> hierarchy of which languages are considered publishable (German, French,
>> Russian ?, Latvian ??) and which are not. I think this issue is difficult
>> to resolve in a fair way.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ilja
>>
>>
>> Am 26.06.2020 um 11:39 schrieb Nigel Vincent:
>>
>> I am pleased that when Frans Plank and I edited a special issue of
>> 'Transactions of the Philological Society' on suppletion last year -
>> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/toc/1467968x/2019/117/3 - we were able
>> to persuade the publishers to allow one of the articles to be published in
>> French.
>> <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/toc/1467968x/2019/117/3>
>> The Diachrony of Suppletion: Transactions of the Philological Society:
>> Vol 117, No 3 - Wiley Online Library
>> <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/toc/1467968x/2019/117/3>
>> If the address matches an existing account you will receive an email with
>> instructions to retrieve your username
>> onlinelibrary.wiley.com
>>
>>
>> Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE
>> Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>> Linguistics & English Language
>> School of Arts, Languages and Cultures
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/en/researchers/nigel-vincent(f973a991-8ece-453e-abc5-3ca198c869dc).html
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk> <hartmut at ruc.dk>
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 11:22 AM
>> *To:* Nigel Vincent <nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>
>> <nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>; Wiemer, Bjoern <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de>
>> <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de>; Gilles Authier <gilles.authier at gmail.com>
>> <gilles.authier at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> *Subject:* SV: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship
>>
>>
>> Et si l'article porte sur le grec moderne, il doit souvent se référer à
>> la tradition grammaticale grecque (Tzartzanos) ou française (Roussel,
>> Mirambel). Restricting oneself to discourses in *one* language is
>> myopic. Most linguists really need to read more than just two or three
>> languages to keep up with the relevant literature, but how many do?
>>
>> (Robert E. Wall said in the famous McCawley Festschrift, “More people can
>> make out what it is about in French than actually read it”.)
>>
>> To take a concrete example: *Acta Linguistica Hafniensia *was founded in
>> 1939 and its first issue contained papers in German, French and English.
>> Today, it still calls itself an ‘international journal’, but now
>> practically all papers are in English, with very few exceptions. However,
>> if you take a random issue (51(1), May 2019), apart from one paper
>> specifically dealing with English, there are references to literature in
>> German, French, Greek, Norwegian, and Swedish. So linguists are at least
>> not passively monolingual.
>>
>> Hartmut Haberland
>>
>> *Fra:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> *På vegne af *Nigel Vincent
>> *Sendt:* 26. juni 2020 10:04
>> *Til:* Wiemer, Bjoern <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de> <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de>;
>> Gilles Authier <gilles.authier at gmail.com> <gilles.authier at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> *Emne:* Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship
>>
>>
>>
>> Et si l'article est sur une langue romane mais les références jugées
>> indispensables sont écrites en allemand ou en danois … ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE
>> Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>>
>>
>> Linguistics & English Language
>> School of Arts, Languages and Cultures
>>
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/en/researchers/nigel-vincent(f973a991-8ece-453e-abc5-3ca198c869dc).html
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Wiemer, Bjoern <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de>
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2020 9:44 AM
>> *To:* Gilles Authier <gilles.authier at gmail.com>; Nigel Vincent <
>> nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>
>> *Cc:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <
>> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
>> *Subject:* AW: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship
>>
>>
>>
>> Je pense que oui…  Actually, the same applies to articles on (a language
>> from) other language groups (e.g., Slavic) or subgroups (e.g.,
>> Scandinavian)…
>>
>> BW
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Lingtyp [mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Gilles
>> Authier
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 09:35
>> *An:* Nigel Vincent <nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>
>> *Cc:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship
>>
>>
>>
>> Si l'article est sur une langue romane et que les références jugées
>> indispensables sont écrites dans une langue romane, il me semblerait devoir
>> être rejeté, oui.
>>
>> GA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 7:52 AM Nigel Vincent <
>> nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> A related question to Ian's that I have sometimes thought about concerns
>> the languages a researcher should be able to read in order to access
>> relevant scholarship. Should, for example, a paper be rejected or revisions
>> asked for if someone writing in English on a general linguistic topic has
>> not cited relevant work written in a language other than English?
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE
>> Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>>
>>
>> Linguistics & English Language
>> School of Arts, Languages and Cultures
>>
>> The University of Manchester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/en/researchers/nigel-vincent(f973a991-8ece-453e-abc5-3ca198c869dc).html
>>
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