[Lingtyp] New name for "Mainland Northeast Asia"

Sun Jan 3 22:44:23 UTC 2021

“Manchuria” strikes me politically/historically fraught due to its association with Manchukuo. But, I’m about as far from being an expert on this region as a typologist can be, so what do I know! — Best — Juergen

> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Johanna Nichols <johanna at berkeley.edu> wrote:
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> Janhunen 1996 uses the term Manchuria for this area and covers its ethnohistory and linguistic history so comprehensively that I consider it a precedent for using that term.
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> Janhunen, Juha. Manchuria: An ethnic history. Helsinki: Suomalais-Ugrilainen Seura, 1996.
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> Johanna
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> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:11 PM Dan I. SLOBIN <slobin at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> "Inner" and "outer" convey an implicit hierarchy: some are in and some are out; some are central and some are peripheral.
> I suggest a simple, objective solution, avoiding the repetition of names of compass directions, and avoiding what may
> be seen as value judgments: Boreal Northeast Asia and Austral Southeast Asia -- i.e., North and South, using Latin terms. 
> I don't think these terms are opaque: "Boreal" will, for some people, evoke "Aurora Borealis," the Northern Lights; 
> "Austral" will evoke southerly geography, as in Austronesia and Australia.
> 
> Dan Slobin
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> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 3:28 AM JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk> wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> (I’m sorry if no one cares, but just for the update)
> Although no one suggested any alternatives, I gave it a thought and changed the terms “Mainland Northeast Asia” to “Inner Northeast Asia” (as opposed to “Outer Northeast Asia”, i. e. the rest of Northeast Asia).
> Below is a visualized map of Inner and Outher Northeast Asia.
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> <Attachment.tiff>
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> From Hong Kong,
> Ian
> On 31 Dec 2020, 6:13 PM +0800, JOO, Ian [Student] <ian.joo at connect.polyu.hk>, wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> In my doctoral research, I refer to the lingistic area consisting of Korea, Mongolia, and Northeast China (but not Japan or Russian Far East) as "Mainland Northeast Asia."
>> But this name is problematic, since Siberia is just as continental (part of "mainland") as well, and I don't intend to include Siberia.
>> Because of this, I have been thinking of a better name for this area. 
>> The best one I can think of is Astragalia, from the name of the herb astragalus, which is native to Korea, Northeast China, Mongolia, and Southern Siberia.
>> The downside of this fancy name is that, upon hearing it, whoever not familiar with herbalism will have no idea where it points to, without further explanation.
>> Are there any other name candidates you can think of? If so, I would welcome all suggestions.
>> 
>> From Hong Kong,
>> Ian
>> 
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