[Lingtyp] transcribing songs in linguistics articles
Becky Paterson
beckydpaterson at gmail.com
Wed Jun 16 10:50:30 UTC 2021
Hi Adam,
In the Discourse Reporting in African Storytelling
<https://sites.google.com/view/speechreporting/home?authuser=0> project, we
have encountered many songs within narratives and have developed a rough
transcription method to represent songs in stories. It is a still
developing system in flux, but perhaps you will find it useful. Below is a
sample as created by Alexandra Vydrina for a song from a Kakabe (
Mande,Guinea) text. (This particular example also contains a significant
amount of Mandinka). <SING> and </SING> mark the boundaries of the song. #
marks the right edge of each line.
View (1) gives an overview of the structure of the entire song. We have
also applied this to interlinear texts, but the notation is identical on
the edges of each line with glosses and free translation below as in (2,
final 2 lines of the song in 1). As of yet untranslated/untranslatable
words are left in the gloss line. The refrain *a tundu tunun bɛrɛ *is left
untranslated by design in this display.
It will be interesting to see the transcription system you develop.
-- Becky
(1)
<SING> kó mànsa la bàntɛgɛláànu lè tunun bɛrɛ tun#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ d' à fɔ́ mànsa yen tunun bɛrɛ tun#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ luluya jií rɔ yan tunun bɛrɛ tun#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ ń fá yé wòro bɔ́ tunun bɛrɛ tun#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ ń ná i da-susu#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ mànsa yé kaa lè bɔ́ tunun bɛrɛ tun#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ luluya jii rɔ yan#
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ</SING>
(2)
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ luluya jii rɔ yan#
à tundu disappear? bɛrɛ pr.name water in here
*a tundu tunun bɛrɛ*, Luluya is under the water, *tunun bɛrɛ tun*
à tundu tunun bɛrɛ </SING>
à tundu disappear? bɛrɛ
*a tundu tunun bɛrɛ*
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> From: "Woodbury, Anthony C" <woodbury at austin.utexas.edu>
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> Thanks Adam and Lev. An excellent specific example is:
>
> Barwick, Linda; Birch, Bruce & Evans, Nicholas. 2007. Iwaidja _Jurtbirrk_
> songs: Bringing language and music together. Australian Aboriginal Studies
> 2007/2: 6-34.
>
> Also by Linda: ‘Including music and the temporal arts in language
> documentation’, pp. 166-179 in Nick Thieberger, ed. (2012) The Oxford
> Handbook of Linguistic Fieldwork. OUP.
>
> And from a different era and perspective, there’s also this:
>
> Lerdahl, Fred & Jackendoff, Ray. 1983. A generative theory of tonal music.
> MIT Press.
>
> Basically, there are many ways of representing music, musical performance,
> and music in relation to speech, and these multiply even more when you
> consider work not only by linguists but also linguistic anthropologists and
> musicologists. The key is to think carefully about what facets of the
> overall ’text’ you want to consider, highlight, and analyze, and then
> devise perspicuous ways of showing it. One size does NOT fit all!
>
> Tony
>
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> Hi Adam,
>
> There is a lot of work on this topic by Americanist linguists and
> linguistic anthropologists influenced by the ethnopoetics tradition. There
> are many possible things to mention, but the two following collections will
> get you into that literature:
>
> Sherzer, J. and Woodbury, A.C. eds., 1987. Native American discourse:
> Poetics and rhetoric. Cambridge University Press.
>
> Sherzer, J. and Urban, G. eds., 2010. Native South American discourse.
> Walter de Gruyter.
>
> Regards,
> Lev
>
> —
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> This is to respectfully acknowledge and honor the present and past
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> Morgan Sleeper of Macalaster College is writing a textbook for CUP (red
> series) on “Language and Music” that covers relevant topics. He teaches a
> course for both linguistics and music students, whose reference list may be
> of interest.
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 19:26, Woodbury, Anthony C <
> woodbury at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Adam and Lev. An excellent specific example is:
> >
> > Barwick, Linda; Birch, Bruce & Evans, Nicholas. 2007. Iwaidja _Jurtbirrk_
> > songs: Bringing language and music together. Australian Aboriginal
> Studies
> > 2007/2: 6-34.
> >
> > Also by Linda: ‘Including music and the temporal arts in language
> > documentation’, pp. 166-179 in Nick Thieberger, ed. (2012) The Oxford
> > Handbook of Linguistic Fieldwork. OUP.
> >
> > And from a different era and perspective, there’s also this:
> >
> > Lerdahl, Fred & Jackendoff, Ray. 1983. A generative theory of tonal
> music.
> > MIT Press.
> >
> > Basically, there are many ways of representing music, musical
> performance,
> > and music in relation to speech, and these multiply even more when you
> > consider work not only by linguists but also linguistic anthropologists
> and
> > musicologists. The key is to think carefully about what facets of the
> > overall ’text’ you want to consider, highlight, and analyze, and then
> > devise perspicuous ways of showing it. One size does NOT fit all!
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, lingtyp-request at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > wrote:
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:36:36 -0700
> > From: Lev Michael <levmichael at berkeley.edu>
> > To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Lingtyp Digest, Vol 81, Issue 10
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> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > There is a lot of work on this topic by Americanist linguists and
> > linguistic anthropologists influenced by the ethnopoetics tradition.
> There
> > are many possible things to mention, but the two following collections
> will
> > get you into that literature:
> >
> > Sherzer, J. and Woodbury, A.C. eds., 1987. Native American discourse:
> > Poetics and rhetoric. Cambridge University Press.
> >
> > Sherzer, J. and Urban, G. eds., 2010. Native South American discourse.
> > Walter de Gruyter.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lev
> >
> > —
> > Tony Woodbury
> > Jesse H. Jones Regents Professor in Liberal Arts
> > The University of Texas at Austin • Department of Linguistics • RLP 4.738
> > 305 E. 23rd St
> > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/305+E.+23rd+St?entry=gmail&source=g
> >.
> > • STOP B5100 • Austin, Texas 78712 • USA • +1-512-471-1701
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> > Archive of the Indigenous Languages of Latin America:
> > http://www.ailla.utexas.org
> >
> > This is to respectfully acknowledge and honor the present and
> > past relationships of Native American peoples to the lands on which
> > the University of Texas at Austin now stands, including Tonkawas,
> > Lipan Apaches, Comanches, and others extending back tens of millennia.
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> Thanks Tony, Lev and Peter!
>
> I suppose I was naively thinking someone might have proposed some Leipzig
> glossing rules style notation for representing song in linguistics papers.
>
> best,
>
> Adam
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:26 PM Woodbury, Anthony C <
> woodbury at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Adam and Lev. An excellent specific example is:
> >
> > Barwick, Linda; Birch, Bruce & Evans, Nicholas. 2007. Iwaidja _Jurtbirrk_
> > songs: Bringing language and music together. Australian Aboriginal
> Studies
> > 2007/2: 6-34.
> >
> > Also by Linda: ‘Including music and the temporal arts in language
> > documentation’, pp. 166-179 in Nick Thieberger, ed. (2012) The Oxford
> > Handbook of Linguistic Fieldwork. OUP.
> >
> > And from a different era and perspective, there’s also this:
> >
> > Lerdahl, Fred & Jackendoff, Ray. 1983. A generative theory of tonal
> music.
> > MIT Press.
> >
> > Basically, there are many ways of representing music, musical
> performance,
> > and music in relation to speech, and these multiply even more when you
> > consider work not only by linguists but also linguistic anthropologists
> and
> > musicologists. The key is to think carefully about what facets of the
> > overall ’text’ you want to consider, highlight, and analyze, and then
> > devise perspicuous ways of showing it. One size does NOT fit all!
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2021, at 1:00 PM, lingtyp-request at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:36:36 -0700
> > From: Lev Michael <levmichael at berkeley.edu>
> > To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Lingtyp Digest, Vol 81, Issue 10
> > Message-ID: <D70BFC89-4B35-4226-9B7A-F623487BBA8C at berkeley.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > There is a lot of work on this topic by Americanist linguists and
> > linguistic anthropologists influenced by the ethnopoetics tradition.
> There
> > are many possible things to mention, but the two following collections
> will
> > get you into that literature:
> >
> > Sherzer, J. and Woodbury, A.C. eds., 1987. Native American discourse:
> > Poetics and rhetoric. Cambridge University Press.
> >
> > Sherzer, J. and Urban, G. eds., 2010. Native South American discourse.
> > Walter de Gruyter.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lev
> >
> > —
> > Tony Woodbury
> > Jesse H. Jones Regents Professor in Liberal Arts
> > The University of Texas at Austin • Department of Linguistics • RLP 4.738
> > 305 E. 23rd St. • STOP B5100 • Austin, Texas 78712 • USA •
> +1-512-471-1701
> > Zoom: https://utexas.zoom.us/my/anthony.woodbury or
> > https://utexas.zoom.us/my/2632805490
> > Linguistics: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/linguistics/
> > Chatino Project: http://sites.google.com/site/lenguachatino/
> > Archive of the Indigenous Languages of Latin America:
> > http://www.ailla.utexas.org
> >
> > This is to respectfully acknowledge and honor the present and
> > past relationships of Native American peoples to the lands on which
> > the University of Texas at Austin now stands, including Tonkawas,
> > Lipan Apaches, Comanches, and others extending back tens of millennia.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Lingtyp mailing list
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> Hi Adam — on a very very different side of things, Sylvia Sierra's work on
> media references in American millennial speech includes some discussion of
> song in conversation, and she references relevant work in the
> DA/Communication tradition. Some possible places to look might be
>
> Sierra, S.A. (2016)*. Intertextual media references as resources for
> managing frames, epistemics, and identity in conversation among friends*.
> Ph.D. Dissertation, Georgetown University.
>
> http://www.sylviasierra.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/SierraDissertationFinalDraft3.pdf
>
> Sierra, S. (2017). “Buffy sings to Cody”: A multimodal analysis of mother
> and pre-lingual-infant question–response sequences.* Journal of
> Pragmatics*,
> 110: 50-62.
> http://www.sylviasierra.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Sierra2017.pdf
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:53 PM Jorge Rosés Labrada <jrosesla at ualberta.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > Following up on Lev's recommendation, I've found this article by Hymes
> > useful.
> >
> > Hymes, Dell. 1994. “Ethnopoetics, Oral-Formulaic Theory, and Editing
> > Texts.” *Oral Tradition* 9 (2): 330–70.
> >
> > It was later published as part of the book *Now I know only so far:
> > Essays in ethnopoetics *but the article itself is accessible as a PDF
> > here: http://journal.oraltradition.org/issues/9ii/hymes
> > <http://archive.journal.oraltradition.org/issues/9ii/hymes>
> >
> > Best,
> > Jorge
> > -------------
> > Jorge Emilio Rosés Labrada
> > Assistant Professor, Indigenous Language Sustainability
> >
> > 4-22 Assiniboia Hall
> > Department of Linguistics, University of Alberta
> > Tel: (+1) 780-492-5698
> > Email: jrosesla at ualberta.ca
> >
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> > institution.*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:41 PM Lev Michael <levmichael at berkeley.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Adam,
> >>
> >> There is a lot of work on this topic by Americanist linguists and
> >> linguistic anthropologists influenced by the ethnopoetics tradition.
> There
> >> are many possible things to mention, but the two following collections
> will
> >> get you into that literature:
> >>
> >> Sherzer, J. and Woodbury, A.C. eds., 1987. *Native American discourse:
> >> Poetics and rhetoric*. Cambridge University Press.
> >>
> >> Sherzer, J. and Urban, G. eds., 2010. *Native South American discourse*.
> >> Walter de Gruyter.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Lev
> >>
> >> On 10Jun 2021, at 09:00, lingtyp-request at listserv.linguistlist.org
> wrote:
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> >> 1. transcribing songs in linguistics articles
> >> (Adam James Ross Tallman)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 06:36:18 +0200
> >> From: Adam James Ross Tallman <ajrtallman at utexas.edu>
> >> To: "LINGTYP at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG"
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> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I'm describing some performative aspects of speech in Chacobo myth
> >> telling,
> >> including parts where characters break out into song. I'm interested in
> >> sources that discuss best practices on how to represent sung speech (or
> >> more broadly other performative aspects of story telling). Any leads
> would
> >> be appreciated.
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> --
> >> Adam J.R. Tallman
> >> Post-doctoral Researcher
> >> Friedrich Schiller Universität
> >> Department of English Studies
>
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