[Lingtyp] Testing a generalization about spatial reference frames
David Gil
gil at shh.mpg.de
Fri Mar 5 10:05:35 UTC 2021
Dear all,
Relative terms making reference to "left" or "right" may also be
lexicalized to form toponyms. For example, the country name Yemen is
actually a lexicalization of the Arabic word for "right", drawing upon
an canonical orientation facing the rising sun to the east.
David
On 05/03/2021 10:36, Dmitry Nikolaev wrote:
> Dear Juergen,
>
> I don't know what level of conventionalisation you are looking for,
> but speakers of Russian, at least those who grew up in large cities,
> tend in general to avoid using geocentric terms and feel uncomfortable
> using them, and if it is at all possible to say "The lake is to the
> right of the hill", I would personally do so. A quick googling showed
> that this phraseology is quite frequent in route descriptions, and
> this YouTube video literally advertises a plot of land "to the left of
> lake Veselovka".
>
> My best,
> Dmitry
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 07:26, Bohnemeyer, Juergen <jb77 at buffalo.edu
> <mailto:jb77 at buffalo.edu>> wrote:
>
> Dear all — I’d like to solicit your help with a generalization.
> I’m wondering whether anybody is aware of a counterexample:
>
> It is well known that there are communities whose members
> regularly use geocentric terms in reference to the speaker’s own
> body, as in
>
> (1) ‘My western/downhill arm hurts’.
>
> E.g., Laughren (1978) mentions this phenomenon in reference to
> Warlpiri. Levinson (2003: 4) notes that the practice exists among
> speakers of Guugu Yimithirr (Pama-Nyungan, Queensland). Haun &
> Rapold (2011) present an experimental study of the practice with
> speakers of ≠Akhoe Hai||om (Khoekhoe, Namibia).
>
> Now, I’m interested in what you might consider something of an
> inverse of this kind of use: the use of relative frames at the
> geographic scale, as in
>
> (2) ‘The lake is to the right of the hill’
>
> My generalization is that there doesn’t seem to be any community
> in which the type of use exemplified by (2) is conventional.
>
> That is to say, of course we can easily imagine situations in
> which English speakers might exchange something like (2):
>
> * A speaker looking at the lake and hill might use (2) to describe
> what she sees to an interlocutor who doesn’t have visual access to
> the scene. The speaker might use relative language in this case in
> order to produce a vivid image of the scene as it presents itself
> to her.
>
> * A speaker looking at representations of the hill and lake on a
> map might use (2) metonymically.
>
> However, I’m unaware of a community in which something like (2)
> would be a conventional way of locating landscape entities with
> respect to one another in the absence of visual access to
> (representations of) them.
>
> (One could argue that (2) is pragmatically semi-infelicitous in
> such a context since the truth of (2) depends on the location of
> the observer, which is usually more variable than that of the hill
> and lake. However, even though the truth of (1) similarly changes
> with the speaker’s orientation, it is presumed to be an entrenched
> strategy for this context in several cultures. My interest is
> partly in this asymmetry.)
>
> I’m curious whether people are aware of counterexamples.
>
> Thanks! — Juergen
>
> Haun, D. M. B. & C. J. Rapold. (2011). Variation in memory for
> body movements across cultures. Current Biology 19(23): R1068-1069.
>
> Laughren,M. (1978). Directional terminology in Warlpiri. in Th. Le
> and M. McCausland (eds.), Working papers in language and
> linguistics, 8: 1–16. Launceston: Tasmanian College of Advanced
> Education.
>
> Levinson, S. C. (2003). Space in language and cognition.
> Cambridge: CUP.
>
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