[Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses

Wed Jan 12 11:30:37 UTC 2022

There exists a large literature on non-negative NEG marks  of the type
exemplified by Françoise Rose  :  *avant qu’elle n’arrive, ….* It is the
so-called 'expletive (or vacuous) negation' we find in many languages:  *Je
suis parti avant qu’il ne soit arrivé ,* i.e at the moment of my departure
he was *not ye*t arrived. But the meaning of  *Je suis parti avant
*qu’il*  soit
arrivé *would be the same . Along with the important book by Dobrushina
(see mail of Tanaku Tsunoda) you may consider  *A Twofold Classification of
Expletive Negation* by Matteo Greco, Conference paper, Aug. 2019 at
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339285297. See also P. Ramat , *La
comparazione negativa*, «Archivio Glottologico Italiano»  87/2002: 223-229.

Regards,

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Il giorno mer 12 gen 2022 alle ore 10:14 Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk>
ha scritto:

> I do not know if this phenomenon in Danish is related.
>
> “Ikke så snart Amsterdam-traktaten trådte i kraft, begyndte
> Europa-Kommissionen …” literally ”Not as soon [as] the Amsterdam treaty
> came into force …”
>
> One could translate this into English with “no sooner” and one might ask
> if a difference between “no sooner” (with negation) and “as soon as”
> (without negation) always is observed by all speakers, as subtle it may be.
>
> *Hartmut Haberland*
> Professor emeritus
>
> [image: RUC]
>
> *Roskilde University*
> Department of Communication and Arts
>
> *Fra:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> *På vegne af *Françoise
> Rose
> *Sendt:* 12. januar 2022 09:53
> *Til:* mohammad rasekh <mrasekhmahand at yahoo.com>; LINGTYP LINGTYP <
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> *Cc:* Fariba Sabouri <faribasabouri at gmail.com>
> *Emne:* Re: [Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses
>
>
>
> Dear Mohammad,
>
> this is a very common phenomenon in (rather formal) French:
>
>
>
> avant qu’elle n’arrive, ….
>
> before she arrives (lit. before she does not arrive)
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, I don’t have any reading recommendation on the topic!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Françoise ROSE (fʁɑ̃swɑz ʁoz)
>
> Directrice de Recherches 2ème classe, CNRS
>
> Laboratoire Dynamique Du Langage (CNRS/Université Lyon2)
>
> 16 avenue Berthelot
>
> 69007 Lyon
>
> FRANCE
>
> www.ddl.cnrs.fr/ROSE
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> *De :* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> *De la part de*
> mohammad rasekh
> *Envoyé :* mardi 11 janvier 2022 16:18
> *À :* LINGTYP LINGTYP <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> *Cc :* Fariba Sabouri <faribasabouri at gmail.com>
> *Objet :* [Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses
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>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I hope you have started a happy new year.
>
> In the corpus of one of my students in Hamedani Persian (a variety spoken
> in Hamedan, west of Iran), we have found some adverbial clauses in which
> the verb is marked by negative prefix, but it does not mean negative. These
> adverbial clauses mark Time (meaning 'as soon as') and Reason, or both at
> the same time. Some examples:
>
>
>
> 1.        *i               ke            kur          na**-šod**, man
>         diye          ruz-e xoš                 na-didam*
>
>         he            that         blind       NEG-become, I    anymore
> day-EZ happy     NEG-see-1SG
>
>         As soon as he got blind, I had no good times.
>
> 2.      *das       ke         ne-mi-keš-i
> ru harči,                       xāk-e*
>
>        hand     that      NEG-IND-touch-2SG               over
> everything,       dirty-BE.3SG
>
>     As you touch everything, it is dirty.
>
> I wonder if there is any other language in which the adverbial clause is
> negative in form but not in meaning. I searched to find some evidence or
> some sources which mention this, but I was not successful. I appreciate
> your comments.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mohammad
>
>
>
> Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand
>
> Linguistics Department,
>
> Bu-Ali Sina University,
>
> Hamedan, Iran.
>
> Postal Code: 6517838695
>
> https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand
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