[Lingtyp] Language without direct speech or reported speech?

[Mark Donohue]

You should talk to Sonia Cristofaro for more details about her work.
I was just drawing attention to the fact that there's a chapter about this
online.

-Mark

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 at 17:45, Jocelyn Aznar <contact at jocelynaznar.eu> wrote:

> It's a bit cryptic for a message. So I've checked the descriptions of
> two of these languages would not have direct speech or reported speech.
>
> From A grammar of Awa Pit (Cuaiquer) : an indigenous language of
> south-western Colombia, PhD thesis by Curnow, Timothy Jowan.
> Section 10.2.1 on Complement clause 1: Sentence-like complement, p253-4
>
> """
> Sentence-like complements can be used with a number of different
> predicate types. They are always used to report direct speech; [...]:
>
> (589)
> Alfonso=na [ "miimal i-ti-mtu-s"] kizh-ti
>
> Alfonso=TOP [ Chucunes gcrTERM-IMPF-LOCUT]  say-TERM
> 'Alfonso said, "I'm going to Chucunes"'
> """
>
> By the way, I love this glossing were the beginning and the end of the
> actual content being reported is formally indicated.  So Awa pit has
> direct speech, thus reported speech. And also, p.261, there are example
> and discussions of indirect speech.
>
> About Evenki, by Igor Nedjalkov, p1, first things written about the
> language:
> """
> 1.1. GENERAL QUESTIONS
> 1.1.1. Sentence-types
> 1.1.1.1. Direct and reported speech
> 1.1.1.1.1. Syntagmatic means
> These are the predominant ways of expressing indirect speech, and
> involve verbs of reporting followed by object clauses with participial
> verb forms. The latter are in fact ordinary noun clauses (see 1.1.2.2.3
> for the expression of indirect statements), formed by one of three
> participles
> """
> So Evenki has reported speech, and even indirect speech. More on direct
> speech, p3:
> """
> Direct speech is introduced by a verb of saying or asking, etc. either
> following or preceding the quoted phrase:
> (9) Kungaka-r eri-d'ere-0: 'Ama d'u-la-vi
> shout-prs-3pl father home-all-prefl come-prs-3sg
>
> eme-d'ere-n!'
> child-pi
> 'The children shout: "Father is coming home!"'
> """
>
> So could you explain your point?
>
> Jocelyn
>
> Le 16/06/2022 à 10:02, Mark Donohue a écrit :
> > https://wals.info/feature/128A#1/28/149
> >
> > Cristofaro lists
> >
> > Awa Pit
> > Cahuilla
> > Emberá (Northern)
> > Evenki
> > Martuthunira
> > Nivkh
> > Resígaro
> > Squamish
> > Tamil
> > Thakali
> > Trumai
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 17:29, Jocelyn Aznar <contact at jocelynaznar.eu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Working on reporting speech at the moment, and more precisly on direct
> >> speech, I was wondering whether it has been once reported that a speech
> >> community wouldn't practice reported speech or direct speech. I'd be
> >> also interested by any report or examples from corpus of direct speech
> >> that cannot be identified using morphological or syntactical clues.
> >>
> >> I know of course that indirect speech, or other forms of reported speech
> >> else than direct speech, are not so common, but has it been reported
> >> that a particular speech community wouldn't practice at all reported
> >> speech ? or have you read about a speech community which didn't produce
> >> direct speech?
> >>
> >> Having sent the email with the wrong address first, Daniel Ross had the
> >> opportunity to tell me about the word of Daniel Everett on Pirahã. I
> >> will take a look at Everett's decriptions and the documentary Grammar of
> >> Happiness where there should be an interested occurrence of direct
> speech.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Jocelyn Aznar,
> >> postdoc at ZAS,
> >> Berlin
> >>
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