[Lingtyp] Lingtyp Digest, Vol 98, Issue 3

[Eitan Grossman]

Hi all,

We might be moving away from what David was initially interested in, but
because of what Josh wrote, I wanted to share that in Yiddish, non-finite
perfective motion verbs with a directional can also be omitted. I
understand that this is possible in other Germanic languages, but I don't
have any examples (the only ones I ever saw were in German translations of
Yiddish spoken texts).

(a) er  iz arayn-gekumen in hoyz
      he is in.DIR-come      in house
'He entered the house'

(b) er iz arayn in hoyz
'He entered the house'

Talmy gives the example:

(c) bald vi er  iz  aroyf[getrotn[ oyf dem tretar, iz er
arayn[gegangen/gekumen] in der kretschme
     right as he is  on[stepped] on the sidewalk, is he in[gone/come] in
the tavern
'As soon as he [stepped] onto the sidewalk, he [went/came] into the tavern.'

Eitan



Eitan Grossman
Associate Professor, Department of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Tel: +972 2 588 3809




On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 10:50 PM Joshua Birchall <jtbirchall at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For motion events in Aikanã, an isolate language from western Brazil, the
> verb root *ware* 'go' is often not expressed if a directional morpheme is
> also used. This gives the impression that the person markers that are
> usually suffixed onto the verb root are actually prefixed to the
> directional, which doesn't happen in any other contexts. This seems quite
> similar to what Marine mentioned about negation in French in terms of
> pragmatics and predictability.
>
> *ware-ka-xüne-**ẽ*
> go-1SG-DIR:return-DECL
> 'I am going back (home)'
>
> Or:
>
> *ka-xüne-**ẽ*
> 1SG-DIR:return-DECL
> 'I am going back (home)'
>
> Here are some more examples from a grammar sketch that is coming out in
> January (sorry about the formatting):
>
> *baba   hapü-ke-muka-a-na    ka-yã-pü    ka-yã-**ẽ*
> father  cover-3.AG-CLF:eye-1SG.PAT-DS 1SG-DIR:hither-SS
> 1SG-DIR:hither-DECL
> ‘Father covered my eyes and then I came.’
> (van der Voort and Birchall 2023:21)
>
> *ĩwã-are-na   ka-xü-pa-ne-’eyã-re-’ẽ   mama-deri    he-pü*
> like.that-SYMP-DS  1SG-DIR:return-TR-PFV-2PL.PAT-FUT-IMP  mother-3.POSS
>  say-SS
> ‘“How unfortunate, let me bring you back!”’ his mother said (to the
> girls).’
> (van der Voort and Birchall 2023:30)
>
> All the best,
>
> Josh
>
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:57:59 +0000 (UTC)
> From: MARINE vuillermet <marinevui at yahoo.fr>
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> French speakers very systematically use t'inqui?te! (REC-worry) 'do?
> worry' to actually mean ne t'inqui?te pas (NEG REC-worry-NEG) 'don't
> worry'. Here the entire negation is ellipsed, and I see it as a
> confirmation of it being a very pragmatic phenomenon where very predictable
> elements can be left unspoken without leading to confusion.
> Best,
> Marine
>
> Marine VuillermetPostdoctoral fellow
> -----
> University of Z?rich
>  Department of Comparative LinguisticsOut Of Asia: Linguistic Diversity
> and Population History
>
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> ago." (Baum & Smith 2013:5)
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