[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs

[Christian Lehmann]

Agreed. I was extrapolating from the Cabecar facts; but in fact, the 
formal development of a functional contrast in terms of a markedness 
opposition is a matter of every language's grammar.

Am 27.08.2023 um 11:02 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
> I would think of it more in terms of iconicity than in terms of 
> markedness:
>
> Suppose the grammar of a particular language provides for both finite 
> and nonfinite complements.
>
> Suppose furthermore that the members of the speech community 
> frequently communicate about both event perception and propositional 
> inference.
>
> In this situation, I would assume that nonfinite complements become an 
> attractor for the event perception meaning, whereas finite complements 
> become an attractor for the propositional inference meaning.
>
> Why? Perhaps the simplest explanation would be that propositional 
> inference complements have independent time reference, whereas event 
> perception complements refer to events that necessarily unfold 
> contemporaneously with the perception event.
>
> One could also say that the independent vs. dependent time reference 
> contrast is simply a special case of a broader contrast, whereby event 
> perception is conceptually simpler than propositional inference.
>
> Best – Juergen
>
> Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
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> *From: *Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
> *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:49
> *To: *Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>, 
> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
> Thank you very much, that is sufficient for present purposes (although 
> alternative terms from the floor remain welcome). I doubt, though, 
> that every use of the 'that' variant of this construction conveys an 
> inference. It would rather appear to be the unmarked variant, such 
> that subordination by something like 'how' is the marked variant 
> insisting on event perception.
>
> Am 27.08.2023 um 10:43 schrieb Juergen Bohnemeyer:
>
>     Yes. Personally, I like ‘event perception’ vs. ‘propositional
>     inference’. ‘Event perception’ for the “direct” case has certainly
>     been used elsewhere, though I would have to google it to be sure
>     where. See for example here:
>
>     https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>     <https://ub01.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10900/47121/pdf/Maienborn_2011_Event_semantics.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y>
>
>     Best – Juergen
>
>     Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
>     Professor, Department of Linguistics
>     University at Buffalo
>
>     Office: 642 Baldy Hall, UB North Campus
>     Mailing address: 609 Baldy Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
>     Phone: (716) 645 0127
>     Fax: (716) 645 3825
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>     Office hours Tu/Th 3:30-4:30pm in 642 Baldy or via Zoom (Meeting
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>     Christian Lehmann <christian.lehmann at uni-erfurt.de>
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>     *Date: *Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 18:33
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>     *Subject: *[Lingtyp] semantics of object clauses of perception verbs
>
>     Please: what are the technical terms for the semantic contrast
>     between 'she saw that the foreigner passed by' and 'she saw how
>     the foreigner passed by'? (I just found it in Cabecar.)
>
>     Thanks in advance,
>
>     Christian
>
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