[Lingtyp] Term needed

[Paolo Ramat]

Hi all,
I think that Nigel's term 'conative' is a good answer to the problem of
finding a name for “be able to VERB” and “manage to VERB”. The Italian
difference mentioned by Nigel between *provare *and *cercare* is a fitting
example.
Best,
Paolo


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Il giorno ven 12 mag 2023 alle ore 06:33 Zingler, Tim <
Tim.Zingler at uibk.ac.at> ha scritto:

> Hi all,
>
>
> there’s a verbal prefix “der-“ in Bavarian/Austrian German (but not in
> Standard German), one of whose functions appears to be exactly the same as
> that of the Philippine constructions you mention. I say “appears to”
> because I’m not a native speaker of those varieties and mostly know about
> this element because I ask my native-speaking students and colleagues about
> it all the time. In case it’s relevant, this seems to be an actual, bona
> fide prefix, not a “separable” one (which is a contradiction in terms
> anyway).
>
>
> The few sources dedicated to this prefix that I’m aware of are all in
> German. Of the ones freely available, this one is perhaps the most
> substantive:
>
>
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/41698956
>
>
>
> The author describes the relevant function as “circumstantial modality.” I
> personally like to think of it as an “anti-frustrative” but haven’t put too
> much thought into the matter.
>
> Best,
>
> Tim
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> im Auftrag von
> Tom Payne <tpayne at uoregon.edu>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Mai 2023 21:04
> *An:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> *Cc:* Voltaire Oyzon
> *Betreff:* [Lingtyp] Term needed
>
>
> Greetings. We have recently come across two constructions in a Philippine
> language that we need a good term for. These are morphosyntactic
> constructions involving a dependent verb form and unusual case marking. The
> meaning of both constructions is that the actor accomplished the activity
> after overcoming some obstacle. With one construction, the obstacle is
> understood as internal/psychological, while with the other the obstacle is
> more external. Translation into English is challenging, but the senses lie
> somewhere in the areas of “be able to VERB” and “manage to VERB”, though
> there is a distinct abilitive construction. We are considering the term
> “vincentive” for these constructions, based on the Latin verb vincere. We
> would appreciate any and all suggestions on this term, or other
> possibilities. Also, if anyone else has encountered such a construction, we
> would very much like to hear about it.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tom Payne and Voltaire Oyzon
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