[Lingtyp] Term needed

[Christian Lehmann]

Dear Tom,

I can see that you have already received relevant answers to your 
question that may also solve your terminological problem. Anyway, just a 
side-remark on the latter:

The term /conative/ that was suggested does not appear to quite match 
the function that you described. The conatives that I know indicate (in 
consonance with the meaning of Latin /conari/) an action that was tried, 
whereas you require a term for an action that finally succeeded.

I am, of course, far from objecting against the idea of naming a 
grammatical category after our esteemed colleague Nigel. As we all know, 
this is an well-established naming procedure in other disciplines such 
as biology.  However, if the idea was to name it based on the Latin verb 
/vincere/, the term would be /victive/, not /vincentive/. Compare 
/perfective/, not /perficientive/.

Apologies for making fuss over minor matters, with my best wishes,
Christian

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> *Von:* Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> im Auftrag 
> von Tom Payne <tpayne at uoregon.edu>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Mai 2023 21:04
> *An:* lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> *Cc:* Voltaire Oyzon
> *Betreff:* [Lingtyp] Term needed
>
> Greetings. We have recently come across two constructions in a 
> Philippine language that we need a good term for. These are 
> morphosyntactic constructions involving a dependent verb form and 
> unusual case marking. The meaning of both constructions is that the 
> actor accomplished the activity after overcoming some obstacle. With 
> one construction, the obstacle is understood as 
> internal/psychological, while with the other the obstacle is more 
> external. Translation into English is challenging, but the senses lie 
> somewhere in the areas of “be able to VERB” and “manage to VERB”, 
> though there is a distinct abilitive construction. We are considering 
> the term “vincentive” for these constructions, based on the Latin verb 
> vincere. We would appreciate any and all suggestions on this term, or 
> other possibilities. Also, if anyone else has encountered such a 
> construction, we would very much like to hear about it.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tom Payne and Voltaire Oyzon
>
>
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