[Lingtyp] Intuitions about inclusive time reference

[Diego Fernando Valio Antunes Alves]

Dear all,

As a native speaker of Brazilian Portuguese, I agree with the Riccardo's 
example, but I could also say, in a more colloquial way:

A Maria ficou de submeter.

The form "ficar de + infinitive" indicates the intention to do 
something. So, by using it in the past tense, I express that Maria had 
the intention to submit but that I don't know at all if she did it or 
not.

Best,

Diego


Le 2024-02-15 12:29, Riccardo Giomi a écrit :
> Dear Östen, Lidia and all,
> 
>  Just to attest to some (unsurprising) variation in Italian,
> presumably on a regional basis: in the context described by Östen, I
> would definitely say _Oggi Maria spedi__VA __la domanda_, with the
> imperfective past. In this way, I would merely being reporting on
> Maria's plan, while also implying that I don't know if she already
> submitted, is still planning on submitting today or whatever. If I
> want to stress my lack of knowledge, I could also say _doveva spedire
> _ (must.PST.IPF submit.INF).
> 
>  In my strongest L2, European Portuguese, I would probably say _IA__
> submeter _(lit. "was going to submit"). But this should of course be
> checked with a native speaker.
> 
>  Best wishes,
>  Riccardo
> 
> Riccardo Giomi
>  Assistant Professor of Functional Linguistics
>  University of Amsterdam
>  Faculty of Humanities: Department of Linguistics
>  Spuistraat 134, 1012 VB, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> 
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> FROM: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Cat Butz <Cat.Butz at hhu.de>
> SENT: 15 February 2024 11:41
> TO: Östen Dahl <oesten at ling.su.se>
> CC: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> SUBJECT: Re: [Lingtyp] Intuitions about inclusive time reference
> 
> Hi Östen,
> 
> In German, I would say:
> Mary reich-t       heute ihr-en         Antrag     ein.
> Mary hand-3:S:PRES today 3:F:POSS-ACC:S proposal   in
> 
> In Bavarian, I would say:
> D=mary       raih-d        haid  ia-n            Àndròg    ai.
> DEF:F:S=Mary hand-3:S:PRES today 3:F:POSS-ACC:S  proposal  in
> 
> In my L2 English, I would say:
> Mary is submitting her grant proposal today.
> 
> Modifications along the lines of "wollte einreichen / woidd airaiha"
> or
> "was going to submit" feel optional to me.
> 
> Best,
> ---
> Cat Butz (she)
> HHU Düsseldorf
> General Linguistics
> 
> Am 2024-02-14 22:29, schrieb Östen Dahl:
>> I would like to ask for intuitions about the following, in one or
> more
>> languages that you are acquainted with.
>> 
>> Suppose your colleague Mary said on Monday: "Tomorrow I'm going to
>> submit my grant proposal." Now it's about noon on Tuesday, and you
>> have no idea whatsoever of the time of the realization of her
>> intention. Maybe she did it in the morning, maybe she'll wait until
>> midnight, and maybe she's just doing it right now. How would you
>> express the sentence below in your language(s), replacing SUBMIT by
> a
>> suitable verb form? The idea is that you should try to use a
> maximally
>> simple and natural formulation without excluding any possibility.
>> 
>> Today Mary SUBMIT her grant proposal
>> 
>> All comments are welcome.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> - Östen
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