[Lingtyp] Looking for two terms

[Däbritz, Dr. phil. Chris Lasse]

Dear John, dear all,


as for the latter form, I would propose "elative", as widely used in Uralic linguistics for case forms denoting movement out of somewhere, e.g. Finnish "talo-sta" 'house-ELA' = 'out of the house, from inside the house'. However, it should be noted that this case form is mostly used adverbially rather than attributively, which might also play a role for your terminological choice.


As for the first example, I could imagine "selective" with the gloss SEL.


I hope this helps!

Best,

Chris

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Dear list members,

My co-author and I are currently finishing up work on the case system of Standard Goan Konkani (Indo-Aryan, Indo-European) and have run into a terminological problem.

To keep it short, there are two cases in Konkani which derive from earlier case stacking with the inessive case followed by either the genitive or the ablative. However, from a synchronic perspective these must be considered two cases in their own right in the modern language, even though their origins from case stacking are still transparent.

With the genitive, this form (<= inessive + genitive) denotes an entity out of a possible group of similar entities, for example in the first example below, ‘one coconut tree among those in 2002’, i.e., ‘among those which were planted in 2002’ (my apologies in advance for the format!):


atã        don    hɵjar        don-a=ntl-ɔ                                  ek     maɖ
now      two    thousand   two-OBL=INESS.GEN-M.SG    one   coconut.tree.M

lag-lɵl-ɔ                                  na.
bear.fruit-PST.PERF-M.SG    NEG.PRS.3SG
‘Now not one coconut tree among those [planted] in 2002 bore fruit.’

With the other form, from the inessive and a form similar to (and deriving from) the ablative (<= inessive + ablative), the semantics are ‘from within a place or group’, as in the next example:

                                                                                                                         bhijovn
payp-a=ntɵlyan               udɵk      soɖ-un               ekɵmek-ã=k                    bhij-ɵy-un
pipe-OBL=INESS.ABL  water     release-CVB      RECIP-OBL.PL=OBJ    get.wet-CAUS-CVB

mɵj-e=n                     dhuɭvɵɖ                                              mɵnɵy-l-i.
fun-OBL=INST.SG   sprinkling.of.colors.during.Holi.F     celebrate-PST-F.SG
‘[The boys and girls] turned on (lit. ‘released’) the faucet (= ‘the water from in the pipe’), got each other wet and had fun (= through fun) celebrated the throwing of colors of Holi.’

A search for similar cases in other languages has so far not turned up any results, and we have not yet found a good term of our own for these two cases, only the rather cumbersome “inessive genitive” and “inessive ablative” (or the equally unfortunate “genessive”/“ablessive”), so any suggestions from the list as to how to name these would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks in advance!

Best,
John


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