7.424, Qs: Russian case, Nasals, Peregrinisme

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-7-424. Thu Mar 21 1996. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  123
 
Subject: 7.424, Qs: Russian case, Nasals, Peregrinisme
 
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Date:  Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:08:51 EST
From:  VKEMPE at UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Subject:  Q: Russian case
 
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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:39:48 EST
From:  awechsle at bbn.com (Allan Wechsler)
Subject:  Mommy, where do nasals come from?
 
3)
Date:  Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:39:56 MST
From:  mmisanch at acs.ucalgary.ca ("Melanie Misanchuk")
Subject:  peregrinisme
 
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Date:  Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:08:51 EST
From:  VKEMPE at UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Subject:  Q: Russian case
 
Dear Linguists,
 
In extracting a corpus of Russian case-marked nouns I encountered the
following problem:
 
What case has to be assigned to forms like
v lesu
v shkafu
v prudu
v uglu
v tazu
na snegu
na mostu
 na polu ?
 
It is not the dative because the stress pattern is different in most
cases and it is not the prepos'su. (dative)
 
Ja vspominaju o le'se (prepositional)                  '
Ja priblizhajus k lesu. (dative)
Ja vspominaju o'.
but:
Ja stoju v lesu.
 
It seems to affect only masculine nouns with a very typical locative
use.  Are these situations where prepositional and locative dissociate
morphologically so that Russian in fact should be viewed as having 7
cases?  Since I am not a linguist any help or references would be
greatly appreciated.  Please contact me directly at
vkempe at uoft02.utoledo.edu
 
 --Vera Kempe
 
Department of Psychology
University of Toledo
Toledo, OH 43606-3390
phone: 419 5302417
 
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Date:  Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:39:48 EST
From:  awechsle at bbn.com (Allan Wechsler)
Subject:  Mommy, where do nasals come from?
 
 
Perhaps the answer to the subject query is that, historically, nasal
segments always derive from earlier nasal segments.
 
Can anyone provide a clearcut example of nasal segments being
introduced ab nihilo?  I would love to learn of an attested
phonological process that has no nasals on the left, but has them on
the right.  An almost plausible hypothetical example would be
 
d -> n / t _ V
 
 -A
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Date:  Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:39:56 MST
From:  mmisanch at acs.ucalgary.ca ("Melanie Misanchuk")
Subject:  peregrinisme
 
 
Greetings linguists!
 
I am a grad student in French linguistics studying anglicisms in the
French popular press.  In mid-February, I saw a reference to Bernard
Quemada's definition of "peregrinisme" on another list and have been
unable to find either the original Quemada work with a definition or
anyone who knows of it.  Any leads would be most appreciated.
 
_cinq clous_
 
Melanie Misanchuk
University of Calgary
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