LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 15.AUG.2000 (05) [E]

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From: Henry Pijffers [hpijffers at home.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 15.AUG.2000 (03) [E]

Ron hef schreven:
>
>In some Low Saxon (Low German) dialects, at least those in the Lower Elbe
>area, both "England" and "Britain" are traditionally referred to as _Ingland_
>or _England_, likewise _ingelsch_ ~ _engelsch_ and _Inglänner_ ~ _Englänner_ ~
>_Ingelschmann_ ~ _Engelschmann_ refer to _English_ ~ _British_ and
>_Englishman_ ~ _Briton_ respectively.  (However, "Scotland", "Scottish" and
>"Scot" are _Schottland_, _schottsch_ and _Schott_ respectively.)
>
Interestingly, you left out Welshmen. Do you have a Saxon name for that, or
do you have the same problem as me, not knowing what to call it in your own
language?

Btw, I use "Engeland" for England, and "Engelschen" for its inhabitants, and
"Scotland" and "Scotten" for Scotland and Scots respectively. I never speak of
"Britten", but if I would, I'd mean just English people.

grooten,
Henry

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Names

Henry, you wrote:

> Interestingly, you left out Welshmen. Do you have a Saxon name for that, > or
> do you have the same problem as me, not knowing what to call it in your > own
> language?

I don't know of Low-Saxon-specific equivalents of "Wales" and "Welsh".  In
such cases we use the German equivalents, here _Wales_ and _walisisch_.
(_Welsch_ is archaic German for 'Romance', 'Romanic', obviously going back to
Celtic roots of the Romance-speaking areas neighboring German-speaking areas.)

The same applies to "Ireland" and "Irish": _I(e)rland_ and _i(e)r(i)sch_.

_Schottsch_ (for "Scottish" or "Scots") occurs in the Low Saxon (Low German)
name for a large two-wheeled barrow or cart: _schottsche kar_ (_schottsche
Karr_).  _Schottsch_ or _Schottschen_ is a type of dance, known in English by
its German name: Schottisch ...

Regards,

Reinhard/Ron

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