LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.AUG.2000 (03) [E/LS]

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From: Henry Pijffers [hpijffers at home.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 17.AUG.2000 (02) [E/LS]

>[The following is in Low Saxon (Low German) and English.]
>
I'll follow that idea then...

>Moin, Henry, Leeglanners!
>Nu is "Moin!" up'n Padd 'n allgemeen
>neddersassisch/nedderdüütsch Gröten to warden, d.h. ook in Dialekten, de "moi"
>anners nich bruukt.  Technisch verklaart, schull dat "Moien!" schreven warden.
>
Dank fuyr uunen uutleg Ron. Mar der bliv fuyr my noch 1 fraag open.
Ik heb ok wal maal "Moin moin" seen, daet sol dues "pleasant pleasant"
wesen??? Wuu is man daar too koemmen?

>Moin, Henry, Lowlanders!
>_Moin!_ now appears to be well on its way toward becoming a
>generally used Low Saxon/Low German salutation, i.e., also in dialects in
>which _moi_ is not used otherwise.  Technically speaking, it ought to be
>written _Moien!_.
>
Thanks for your explanation Ron. But one question remains open.
I have also seen "Moin moin" sometimes, which then should mean
"pleasant pleasant"??? How has this come into use?

grooten,
Henry

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

[The following is in Low Saxon (Low German) and English.]

Henry schreev:
> Dank fuyr uunen uutleg Ron. Mar der bliv fuyr my noch 1 fraag open.
> Ik heb ok wal maal "Moin moin" seen, daet sol dues "pleasant pleasant"
> wesen??? Wuu is man daar too koemmen?

Tjer, dat is sachs so'n Verdubbeln vun 'n Gröten.  Ick glööv' nich, dat de
Lüüd' an't eenkliche Bedüden dinkt, wenn se "Moin, moin!" roopt.  Dat is
schients so as "Hallo, hallo!" or as se in't Jüütlandsche seggt: _Dau, dau!_
(= _Dag, dag!_).
Ick schull noch seggt hebben, dat de neddersassische/nedderdüütschen Dialekten
mit "moi" tomeerst de vun Oostfreesland un Kuntrai sünd.
Gröten,
Reinhard/Ron

Well, that seems to be a simple case of doubling of a salutation.  I don't
think people have the literal meaning "Pleasant, pleasant!" in mind when they
say it.  It's something like _Hallo, Hallo!_ or, as they say in Jutland, _Dau,
dau!_ (= _Dag, dag!_ "Day, day!").
I should have also mentioned that the Low Saxon/Low German dialects that have
_moi_ are mostly those of Eastern Friesland and surrounding areas.
Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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