LL-L: "Names" (was "Language varieties") LOWLANDS-L, 09.MAR.2000 (03) [E/LS]

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From: Gerry Mak [Gerry.Mak at aspentech.com]
Subject: "Language varieties"  [D/E]

Hello Lowlanders,

Floor wrote:

> From: Floor van Lamoen [f.v.lamoen at wxs.nl]
> Subject: LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 08.MAR.2000
> (03) [D/LS]
>
>
> Mien Moder snackt [talks] ook vundagigendaags [nowadays]
> noch vun mien
> jüngsten Broder un jüngste Süster tosamen as "de Lütten"
> (or "die Lütten" up
> Missingsch). De "Lütten" sünd nu middewiel [in the
> meantime] över dörtig
> > [thirty] Jaar old ...
>
> Mijn schoonmoeder [mother in law] noemt haar kinderen ook nog
> steeds "de
> kiekens" [Brabantish: chickens] terwijl ze boven de dertig
> zijn. Moeders
> toch.

I can remember my mother calling my younger sister "Liese Lotje" (the
spelling is likely incorrect). This term was reserved for her alone, and
none of my brothers ever received such a "nickname".

Can anyone tell me what this means, and how the term originated? It the term
reserved for girls?

Best regards,
Gerry Mak
AspenTech Ltd.,
Tel:    +44 (0)181 326 6097
Fax:    +44 (0)181 326 6001
Email:gerry.mak at aspentech.com
URL:    www.aspentech.com

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Names

Gerry wrote:

> I can remember my mother calling my younger sister "Liese Lotje" (the
> spelling is likely incorrect). This term was reserved for her alone, and
> none of my brothers ever received such a "nickname".
>
> Can anyone tell me what this means, and how the term originated? It the > term
> reserved for girls?

Gerry, I should hope the sons of the family weren't called that.  ("I'm
Liese-Lotje. This is my brother Liese-Lotje, and this is my other brother
Liese-Lotje" ...)   As far as I can tell, it's derived from "Elizabeth
Charlotte".  In German, the derivation "Lieselotte" is a girl's name, often
abbreviated to "Liesel."  In Low Saxon (Low German) it's "Lieselott," often
abbreviated to "Lotten" or "Lott," thus synonymous with "Lotten" < "Charlotte"
(diminutive "Lottje" or "Lottke" according to dialect, I suppose).  Unless
your sister is called Elizabeth and/or Charlotte, I suspect there was some
sort of story behind it, perhaps even a nursery rhyme.  I am not aware of it
referring specifically to a youngest daugther.

In Germany, "Benjamin" tends to be understood as referring to a youngest son
and can be used to mean "youngest son;" e.g., _Das ist unser Bejamin_ 'That's
our youngest son.'

Regards,

Reinhard/Ron

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