LL-L "Folklore" 2001.12.05 (03) [E]

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From: denis dujardin <dujardin at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Folklore" 2001.12.05 (02) [E]

Dear Lone Elisabeth Olesen

About the "maere/mare" etc. In West-Flemish (Belgium) there is a saying
when people announce to somebody, that somebody is going to announce him or
her a bad message, that they will "do him the "mare" : "ze goan U de moare
doen" The "mare" representing the bad message.

Hope this is interesting for You.

Denis Dujardin
dujardin at pandora.be

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Folklore

Denis,

I believe that the _mare_ ~ _maere_ ~ _moare_ you mentioned above goes back to
a different word.  I don't have access to relevant sources at this moment, but
I can say that I am referring to the origin of the archaic German word _Mär_
'tale', 'story', whose diminutive form is found in the word _Märchen_
'fairytale'.  The word *_mara_ 'female ghoul' we mentioned earlier has
developed into Modern German _Mahr_.  Thus, you have _Mär_ vs _Mahr_.  My
theory is that in Dutch the former is defunct and only occurs in phrases like
_de moare doen_ "to do the tale" = 'to bring (bad) news'.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: AEDUIN at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Folklore" 2001.12.05 (02) [E]

In a message dated 05/12/01 18:40:07 GMT Standard Time, sassisch at yahoo.com
writes:
Sandy

   These personifications of the nightmare appear in English
   literature as the "Succubus" (female) and "Incubus" (male),
   demons which consort with people in their sleep. Chaucer

Surely these are different and were Church explanations so that people could
be made guilty about involuntary sleeping activities.

Regards

Edwin Deady

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