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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Folklore"

> From: AEDUIN at aol.com
> Subject: LL-L "Folklore" 2001.12.05 (02) [E]
>
> In a message dated 05/12/01 18:40:07 GMT Standard Time, sassisch at yahoo.com
> writes:
> Sandy
>
>    These personifications of the nightmare appear in English
>    literature as the "Succubus" (female) and "Incubus" (male),
>    demons which consort with people in their sleep. Chaucer
>
> Surely these are different and were Church explanations so that
> people could
> be made guilty about involuntary sleeping activities.

Since these words are medieaval Latin constructions I think
you're probably right, but "incubus" means "nightmare" and
according to Chambers 21st Century Dictionary is used in the
sense of an oppressive nightmare.

The main point I'm making, though, is that this sort of thing
may turn up in folklore as an attempt at explaining a common
physiological phenomenon.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org
A dinna dout him, for he says that he
On nae accoont wad ever tell a lee.
                          - C.W.Wade,
                    'The Adventures o McNab'

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From: denis dujardin <dujardin at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Folklore" 2001.12.05 (03) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Folklore
>
> Denis,
>
> I believe that the _mare_ ~ _maere_ ~ _moare_ you mentioned above goes back to
> a different word.  I don't have access to relevant sources at this moment, but
> I can say that I am referring to the origin of the archaic German word _Mär_
> 'tale', 'story', whose diminutive form is found in the word _Märchen_
> 'fairytale'.  The word *_mara_ 'female ghoul' we mentioned earlier has
> developed into Modern German _Mahr_.  Thus, you have _Mär_ vs _Mahr_.  My
> theory is that in Dutch the former is defunct and only occurs in phrases like
> _de moare doen_ "to do the tale" = 'to bring (bad) news'.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Thanks Ron for your explanation about the difference between 'de moare
doen' en 'van de moare bereên zin".
I can tell you , both are still used in West-Flemish, as well as in the
(archaic) South-Flemish in France (between Lille and Dunkirk).

best greetings

denis dujardin
kortrijk, flanders
dujardin at pandora.be

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