LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 23.FEB.2001 (06) [E]

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From: Stefan Israel [stefansfeder at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Ron wrote:

> Perhaps (*_Dolbe_ >) Modern North Saxon _Doll(e)_ [dO.l(e)] ~
> _Dull_ [dU.l] [...]
> However, I  cannot think of any other instances of
> assimilation of /b/ or /v/ to preceding /l/ (/lb/~/lv/ -> ll),

> while assimilation of /d/ to preceding  /l/, /r/ and /n/
> is common in North Saxon dialects (/ld/ -> ll, /rd/ -> r(r),
> /nd/ -> nn    [...] Besides, _Doll(e)_ ~ _Dull_ is feminine
> (pl. _Dollen_ ~ > Dullen_), and I would expect _Dolben_ ~
> _Dolven_ to be masculine.

On the other hand... part of the High German territory turned
medial [v] <w> into [b], e.g. gelw- > German _gelb_ vs. _geel_
or _yellow_,  or Bavarian Iwein > Iban.
Just as /gelv/ yielded Platt _geel_ (in all dialects of Platt?),
*dolv- might yield _Dolle_, alongside _Dolve_ in other dialects,
and Dolb- in upper Germany.

As far as the gender goes, the word usually occurs in the
plural, making its gender hard to keep track of over time.

Stefan

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Etymology"

> From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
>
> I was interested to come across the Scots word _dook_ ~ _douk_

The Scottish National Dictionary lists "dook" as existing
in Old Scots and also lists Dutch, English and Low Saxon
cognates.

As well as the standard meaning of "to dip" or "to take a
dip", there are various other uses in modern Scots.

The local river at our village has a wide part where
children build a dam to make a large, deep pool to swim
in. This pool is called the "big dooker", and the smaller,
shallower pool in front of the dam the "wee dooker". This
sort of activity is rarer now that most localities have
an indoor swimming pool.

A "dookie piece" is a piece of bread soaked in the gravy
from mince (=American "hamburger") or stew to tide a child
over until the meal is ready. I recently discussed this
tasty morsel with a friend from Paisley whose mother also
made him this in the run-up to meal times, so it is a
country-wide thing.

Ducking for apples at Halloween is called "dookin", and
the apples are called "dookin aiples".

A member of a Baptist Church is known as a "dookit body".

Sandy
http://scotstext.org
A dinna dout him, for he says that he
On nae accoont wad ever tell a lee.
                          - C.W.Wade,
                    'The Adventures o McNab'

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Sandy wrote:

> A "dookie piece" is a piece of bread soaked in the gravy
> from mince (=American "hamburger") or stew to tide a child
> over until the meal is ready.

> Ducking for apples at Halloween is called "dookin", and
> the apples are called "dookin aiples".

This reminds me of American English 'to dunk' in the sense of 'to dip (an
object in liquid)', hence also American 'dunking for apples' and 'apple
dunking' where non-American has 'ducking for apples' and Scots has 'dookin
aiples'.  (The basketball use of 'to dunk' must be a derivation.)  According
to the _American Heritage Dictionary_, 'to dunk' comes from "Pennsylvania
Dutch" (i.e., Pennsylvania German or "Pennsylfanisch (Daitsch)," an American
dialect of Hessian German) -- I suppose _dunke_ 'to dip'.  (Pennsylvania
German has /d/ where Standard German has /t/.)  The Standard German cognate is
_tunken_ with the same meaning, usually used in the sense of dipping pieces of
food in soup, sauce or gravy, hence the derivation _Tunke_, the native
equivalent of _Soße_ (< French _sauce_) 'sauce', 'gravy'.

'Dunk' *is* American, isn't it?

I tried to think of the Low Saxon (Low German) equivalent of German
_(ein)tunken_ in the sense of 'to dip pieces of food in soup, sauce, gravy,
cocoa, etc.'.  *_Dunken_ or *_dünken_?  Nope.  I don't think so, even though
it works phonologically.  I would use either /dip-/ _dippen_ (cf. English 'to
dip') or /stip-/ _stippen_ (with the additional meaning of 'to touch lightly,
with a fingertip').  (_Dippen_ seems to have the German cognate _tupfen_ 'to
dab', 'to dot'. Could /stip-/ be one of those elusive roots with the s-
prefix?)  Cf. English _to stipple_.  The Low Saxon feminine noun (_Stippe_ >)
_Stipp_ (also neuter _Stipp_) denotes a thick and/or fatty sauce or gravy, or
better to say a 'dip'.)  (In Hamburg, a _Stipperspott_ is a casserole pot with
a long handle.)  The masculine noun _Stipp_ denotes 'short moment', 'jiffy',
'wink' and 'short visit', expanded to _Stippvisiet_ (> German _Stipvisite_)
'short visit'.  Masculine _Stippel_ denotes 'dot'.

Aha!  So perhaps Standard German _tunken_ and Pennsylfanisch _dunke_ are
cognates of Low Saxon _duken_ and Scots 'dook', only "Ingveonically
n-deprived"!  What do you think, folks?

Pondering,
Reinhard/Ron

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