LL-L: "Grammar" LOWLANDS-L, 23.JAN.2001 (04) [E]

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From: gavilan [Gavilan at nbnet.nb.ca]
Subject: LL-L: "Grammar" (dill)

I mentioned this 'dill' discussion to a linguist friend of mine and this
is his response to me:

>"ice cream" used to be "iced cream"; "dill pickle" used to be "dilled
>pickle". All that's going on here is a general reduction of English medial
>consonant clusters, which also also took place long since in words like
>"christmas"  [krism at s].

>One often sees spellings like "can peaches" and "smoke fish". This is
>evidence that people also pronounce such phrases with the simplified
>clusters, but it's hard to hear the difference in rapid speech. Of course
>most people, if challenged, will revert to a slow pronunciation "canD
>peaches", "smokT fish".
>
>I've even seen memos from university administrative offices with spellings
>like "program of advance study".

        -+-  Bob Thiel  -+-
        gavilan at nbnet.nb.ca
    Translator: Spanish to English

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Bob quoted:

>"ice cream" used to be "iced cream"; "dill pickle" used to be "dilled
>pickle". All that's going on here is a general reduction of English medial
>consonant clusters, which also also took place long since in words like
>"christmas"  [krism at s].

I guess people definitely have no more reason for making fun of "fry rice" and
"steam vegetables" in Asian restaurant menus then.

I still have not heard anyone say "dilled pickle," fast or slowly.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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