LL-L "Grammar" 2002.06.07 (07) [E/LS]

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From: Holger Weigelt <platt at HOLGER-WEIGELT.DE>
Subject: LL-L "Grammatik" 2002.06.06 (07) [E/LS]

>From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
>Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2002.06.02 (05) [E]
>
>Ron, Leeg- un Lowlanders,
...
>oder:
>"Hei is tau wegloopen"
>(Dann ist er weg gelaufen)
>(Then he run away; [perhaps: "immediately"))
>
>Ditt "tau" kunn obers ook'n "door, in disse Wies, Tiid" ween, dí±Ží¸´ mi.
>(Das "zu" kí¹ºí¾´e aber auch, ví¹²í¼©g anders als vorher, bedeuten: "Da,
>damals,
>dann")
>("tau" could be very different from "to do": "then, at that time").
>
>'n Oobend
>
>Fiete.

Hello Fiete !
I tend to believe this "tau" isn't the infinitive-mark but corresponds
to
the word "do:" in Eastern Friesland LS meaning "at the time when; in the
past; when.
Some examples:
"dat was do: as 't so: 'n bu:stergh we:er west het" (it happens at the
time
when the weather was so bad)
"do: ji: mi: sachent, le:p' ji: wegh" (when you saw me you ran away)
"Tau" in EFLS normally is the infinitive-mark but we know one different
use:
School-children say about their homework: "dat he' wi: tau möergen up"
(that we have to do for/until tomorrow);
"häi het hum tau möergen nöyeght" (he has invited him for tomorrow).
In our
region this has moved into informal German as "zu" replacing "für":
"Das haben wir zu morgen auf"; "er hat ihn zu morgen eingeladen".
In EFLS we often find auxiliary-verbs like "stón" (to stand) or "gón"
(to
go) with an infinitive:
"wat sta:jst du: dor tau blaubekken ?" (why do you stand gaping ?)
theoretically this could occur with "daun" (to do), too but thinking it
over I can't find any example.

Regards
Holger

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Grammar

Holger:

> In EFLS we often find auxiliary-verbs like "stón" (to stand) or "gón" > (to
> go) with an infinitive:
> "wat sta:jst du: dor tau blaubekken ?" (why do you stand gaping ?)
> theoretically this could occur with "daun" (to do), too but thinking it
> over I can't find any example.

This seems to be the construction in Northeastern Low Saxon (Low German)
I had described earlier.  Do you think so?

> Further about grammatical uses of 'to do', I should add that in her
> dictionary of the Northeastern Low Saxon (Low German) dialects (of
> Mecklenburg and Western Pomerania) Renate Herrmann-Winter lists one use
> that I think is disappearing in other dialects (if it used to be more
> widely spread).  _Doon_ ~ _daun_ 'to do' is used with the infinitive
> form of the main verb preceded by _to_ ~ _tau_ ([to.U] ~ [teoU] ~ [ta.U]
> ~ [teaU]) 'to' to express extended action, apparently often in the
> context of disapproval; e.g., ... (Dutch-based spelling in parentheses)
> ...
>
> Wat deist du hier tau sitten?
> (Wat daaist dôê hier taau zitn?)
> "Wat dost thou here to sit?"
> What do you keep sitting around here for?
>
> Wat sall dat Tüüchs noch rümtauliggen daun?
> (Wat zal dat tuugs noch rumtaaulign daaun?)
> "What shall that/the stuff still around-to-lie do?")
> What's that stuff supposed to keep lying around for?
>
> Is there anything similar in other language varieties?

Would this work in your Eastern Friesland variety?

*Wat da:jst du: hi:r tau sitten?

*Wat sal däi budel noch rümtauliggen daun?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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