LL-L "Names" 2002.06.14 (03) [E]

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From: "David Elsworth" <david_elsworth at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2002.06.12 (04) [E]

Dear Ron,

Thank you for the very enlightening description of celtic words used to
describe the english. From my own studeis of the Welsh language, I have
just
realised that 'saesneg' is the welsh adjective meaning 'english,' which
is
quite similar to the other celtic variations, especially the Breton word
,"saozneg," used to describe the English language.

Regards,
David Elsworth.


>From: "David Elsworth" <david_elsworth at hotmail.com>
>Subject: LL-L "Names" 2002.06.10 (03) [E]
>
>Dear Ron, Lowlanders
>
>The Scots term for an English person is,"sassensach." I personally feel
>that this must be connected to the Low Saxon word to describe a saxon.
>
>Regards
>David Elsworth.
>
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>
>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Names
>
>David,
>
>Apparently you are right (above).  Scottish Gaelig _Sasunn_ is 'England'
>(originally "Saxon") and _Sasannach_ is 'English' (either adjective or
>nominal 'English person', originally "Saxon").  Note also names like
>Irish _Sacs-Bhéarla_ for 'English language' ("Saxon gobbledigook"),
>_Saxain_ for 'England' and _Saxanach_ for 'English (person)'.  Manx has
>_Sostyn_ for 'England' and _Sostnagh_ for 'English (person)'  Similarly
>Breton has _Bro-Saoz_ 'England' and _saozneg_ 'English (language)'
>(though lately French-based _Bro an Anglizien_ and _anglich_
>respectively have been encroaching).  Of course, this required these
>languages to create new names for "real" 'Saxon' etc., e.g., Irish
>_Saxa_
>
>On the other hand, note that Finnish has _Saksa_ (originally "Saxony")
>for 'Germany' (and _saksalainen_ for 'German', _saksan kieli_ for
>'German language', etc.), similarly Estonian _Saksa_ (_sakslane_ and
>_saksa keel_), obviously because medieval Saxony (today's Northern
>Germany, from which Saxon-speaking Hanseatic traders reached Baltic
>seaports) came to represent the earlier vague entity "Germany."  Again,
>later this required creating new names for "real" 'Saxony', etc., e.g.,
>Finnish _Saksi_ 'Saxony', _saksilainen_ 'Saxon', _saksin kieli_ 'Saxon
>language', similarly Estonian _Saksi_, _saks_, _saksi keel_
>respectively.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

You are welcome, David.

Isn't it interesting and telling that Welsh has the adjective _saesneg_
("Saxon") for 'English' but refers to England by the name _Lloegr_,
assumedly a name for the region east of today's Wales that goes back to
before the Saxon take-over?  So in Welsh the neighboring region seems to
have retained its old name, and _saesneg_ ("Saxon") is used to refer to
the descendants of the invaders that now live there.

Lowlanders,

On a different note, can any of you tell me what the Dutch equivalent of
the Zeelandic (Zeêuws) place name "Kwaèdamme" is?

Thanks and regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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