LL-L "Etymology" 2002.03.12 (01) [E]

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From: "W!M" <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.03.11 (05) [E/Z]

Hi,
Wim verdoold wkv at home.nl

Kornuit, might be the root of that word for mate. "Kornuit" means "mate". As
it is also the root of the word Knul, (for lad, or boy). This was all dutch.
Kornuit is latin, (the one with the horns). (? Greenhorn, of our workers
club?)

Knoest, has to do with knuist, (fist). And with a bump on an old tree. Also
Knoest, or a hard bit in wood.

W!M
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Lowlanders,

I wrote:

> Ah!  I believe then that it is related to German _Stutz(en)_ 'short,
> stubby thing', oftentimes also 'stubby tail'; Middle High German
> _stotze_ '(short) log', 'stem', 'chunk', _stutze_ '(stubby) beaker', and
> the verb _stutzen_ 'to trim', 'to clip' (e.g., a tail).

So, I guess the basic meaning is something like 'stub,' which would also
explain why in Dutch the tailbone (coccyx) is _stuit(je)_.

This whole thing reminds my of German _Knust_ 'heal of a loaf of bread',
and Low Saxon (Low German) _Knuust_ (Dutch spelling _knoest_) [knu:s(t)]
'heal of a loaf of bread', in some dialects also 'knoll', sometimes also
'loner', 'lone wolf'.  The _Herkunftsduden_ identifies _Knust_ as North
German and mentions Middle Low Saxon _knûst_ and Dutch _knoest_ 'gnarly
growth,' 'knot', 'burl', 'snag', also Danish _knyst_ 'cartilage', 'welt'
and Old Icelandic _knauss_ 'mountain top'.  Some South German dialects
have _Knaus_ and Swiss German _(k)chnûs_, but the supposed High German
adaptation _Knaust_ (of _Knuust_?) is now obsolete.

Usually, Low Saxon has /uu/ <uu/oe> where Dutch has <ui> (e.g., _Huus_ =
_huis_ 'house'), and Low Saxon has /ou/ <oo/ou> where Dutch has /uu/
<oe> (e.g., _good_ ~ _goud_ = _goed_ 'good').  So, Dutch having _knoest_
(see above), Flemish having _knoes_ 'heal of a load of bread', and Low
Saxon (Low German) having _Knuust_/_knoest_ 'heal of a load of bread' --
all with a long /u/ -- doesn't tally up, and I suspect this to be a loan
in one or the other language.  Does any of you have any idea about this?

And another etymological problem:

In some Low Saxon dialects, _Knuut_ or _Kanuut_ (Dutch spelling <knoet>
~ <kanoet>) means 'comrade', 'mate' (much like also _Macker_ ~
_makker_).  What is the etymology of this?  Does it have anything to do
with the Scandinavian men's name Knud ~ Knut (earlier English Canute)?
If so, what might be the story behind this?

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From: "Mathieu. van Woerkom" <Mathieu.vanWoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Subject: Etymology

Ron wrote:

>> Vries suspects that de forms with _oe_ are of Frisian or Eastern Dutch
>> origin. Other dialects, like yours, have _uu_ or _ui_.
>
>I strongly suspect that by "Eastern Dutch" he means the Low Saxon
>dialects of the eastern Provinces (Gronings, Drents, Twents,
>Achterhoeks, etc.) that are now officially not dialects of Dutch but of
>Low Saxon, an officially recognized regional language in the
>Netherlands, Germany and the European Union.  The phoneme /uu/ (written
><oe> in the Netherlands and <u(u)> in Germany) are
>"typical" of Low
>Saxon where Dutch has <uu> or <ui>.

This phoneme can be seen on this lingual map:
<http://httpd.chello.nl/~w.vanwoerkom/krant/kaart_ui.htm>

As you can see, the /oe/ (Dutch orthography) is not only common in the Low
Saxon areas, but also in Frisian and Limburgisch. In Zeelandic and Flemmish
dialects, the /uu/ (Dutch orthography) is also used.
More lingual maps can be found at:
<http://httpd.chello.nl/~w.vanwoerkom/taalkaarten.htm> or
<http://httpd.chello.nl/~w.vanwoerkom/eng/maps.htm>

Regards,
Mathieu

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