LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.05.16 (08) [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
 L O W L A N D S - L * 16.MAY.2002 (08) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
 Web Site: <http://www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands/>
 Rules: <http://www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands/rules.html>
 Posting Address: <lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org>
 Server Manual: <http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html>
 Archive: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html>
=======================================================================
 A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian L=Limburgish
 LS=Low Saxon (Low German) S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic Z=Zeelandic (Zeeuws)
=======================================================================

From: Holger Weigelt <platt at HOLGER-WEIGELT.DE>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.05.15 (04) [LS/German]

>From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
>Subject: "Dialekt problems" (LS/G)
>
>Moin unn n' Oobend, Leeglanners, Ron,
>
>von Doog stí±ºí¾§ in u's Lokoolzeitung (Niederelbe-Zeitung v. 15. 05.
>2002):
>
>(Zitat Beginn)
>
>" Harry Potter verzaubert Ostfriesen kaum
>
>...Aurich. Der ... Magierlehling Harry Potter entpuppt sich in
>ostfriesischen Buchl䤥n bisher als Ladenhí²’íµ², ... Buchh䮤ler in der
>Regiopn haben ... kaum Exemplare der ... plattdeutschen ܢersetzung
>verkauft. Als Grund fí±£í²¥n die H䮤ler das fí² í°stfriesen schwer
>verst䮤liche Schleswig-Holsteiner Platt der ܢersetzung an. In anderen
>norddeutschen Regionen sei die Nachfrage sehr groß ... . Einhellige
>Meinung
>herrscht ...: "Das ist kein ostfriesisches Platt"... "
>
>(Zitat Ende)
>
>Door mutt platt at HOLGER-WEIGELT.DE  ran!
>
>allerb䥳t
>
>Fiete.

Moin Fiete, moin le:ghlanners !
Dor is wiers 'n grôd ferske:l tüsken 't plat fan ferske:lend
kuntra:jen.
Dat is o:k äien fan däi o:ersóken doerföör, dat o:stfräies
baukdrükkers up
stünts häil ghi:n bauken up plat u:tdaun mööghent um dat dor tau min
ko:pers tau ferwachten bünt - bu:ten 't O:stfräisland bünt süks
bauken dan
ja näit me:er tau ferko:pen un hier le:sent o:k näit al tau fööl
minsken
plat. Annersuem ferstónt däi lüü hier wal fóken dat plat fan anner
kuntra:jen man dat lüd höör frömd tau un fa:lt stuer tau le:sen.
Däi fertellsels uem Harry Potter bünt häiel mo:j - 't is wal näit
wat ik
anners so: lês man ik heb d'r 'n büelt plesäer fan hat - up düütsk.
Un ik
bün ba:ng dor sghal ik tau min ti:d tau hebben as dat ik d'r 'n näje
o:wersetten in 't o:stfräisk plat tauhôp bräeng. Ik heb d'r no wat
anners
an 't lo:p - un ki:kt ins 'n poer rîgh ho:gherder - wel sal dat wal
u:tdaun ?

Kumpelment
Holger

Hello Fiete, hello Lowlanders !
There are really great differences between Low Saxon from distinct
areas.
That is one of the reasons for Eastern Friesland editors to prefer books
in
German instead of Eastern Friesland Low Saxon because they can't sell
enough for a good profit. Outside Eastern Friesland such books couldn't
be
sold because people won't understand and the number of Platt-readers in
Eastern Friesland is quite low. On the other hand many people in Eastern
Friesland are able to understand Platt (Low Saxon) from other areas but
it
sounds too strange for them and they feel uneasy to read.
The Harry Potter stories are very nice - not what I normally read but
nevertheless I had  great pleasure reading them - in German.
I fear I won't have the time to make a translation into Eastern
Friesland
LS. I have some other work running and - have a look a few lines above -
where to find an editor ?

Kind regards
Holger

----------

From: "Reuben Epp" <repp at silk.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.05.16 (01) [E]

Ron Hahn  wrote:
> Lowlanders,
>
> Below please find a copy of an entry I found in the visitors book of "Nu
> is de Welt platt!"
> (http://www.sassisch.net/rhahn/low-saxon/plattewelt.htm).
> <quote>
> Date: 2002-05-15 15:52:32
> Adelwolf ( no email / no homepage) wrote:
> All forst, bidde, forgeven mie for dat Ik schrieve in user dialekt dat
> Je konnen niet forstan ond ik kan niet spreken Standard Dutsch ond
> Nederdutsch ond Englisch . Wie sind om twa hondred lie ond wonen in
> Yozgat. Wie haven en Dutsche Sprak, spreken dat so wel.
> wie sind in de Turkije, ond jet spreken en Dutsche sprak. Ik schrieve
> dit for dat Ik wille ju to witen dat dar sind de dutschen ok in Anadolu.
> Wes hel!!!
> </quote>
>
> Surely this is a hoax
> What do you think?

> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Although the note from Adelwolf seems strange indeed, I would not
write it off as a hoax just yet. It is well known that thousands of
German and Low German/Low Saxon refugees escaped
Communism in Russia via Turkey in the 1920's. Since most of those
refugees had passport problems and resultant difficulties in finding
a country of haven, it is entirely possible that a group of two
hundred as described might have chosen under those circumstances
to remain in Turkey.

What might happen to their language or dialect in the ensuing 80
years of isolation from their countrymen in Russia or elsewhere is
hard to guess. The fact that their presence in Turkey may be
relatively unknown is not surprising. Refugees in such circumstances
do not usually advertise their existence.

I am most interested to hear more on this subject.

Cheers!
Reuben

==================================END===================================
 You have received this because your account has been subscribed upon
 request. To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l"
 as message text from the same account to
 <listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org> or sign off at
 <http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html>.
=======================================================================
 * Please submit postings to <lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org>.
 * Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
 * Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
 * Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
   to be sent to <listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org> or at
   <http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html>.
 * Please use only Plain Text format, not Rich Text (HTML) or any other
   type of format, in your submissions
=======================================================================