LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.30 (09) [E]

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From: Andy (Scots-Online) <andy at scots-online.org>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.10.29 (05) [E/S]

> From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
> Subject: "Vocabulary"
>
> This submission is about rude words, so don't read on if you
> don't like this sort of thing.
>
> I've been wondering about everyday words that many people
> consider to be rude, especially if, because of their status,
> they rarely appear in traditional literature.
>
> My contributions will be with respect to how this sort of
> thing is said in my own dialect of Scots. The questions are:
>
> 1. Are the same words used in other dialects of Scots, or
>    are my own ones non-standard?
>
> 2. How are they said in other Lowlands languages? Are there
>    unexpected similarities?
>
> "F" and "C" Words:

Same Here. A cam ower the 'C' wird clunge, A dinna ken it it micht juist be
slang.

>Fart
> This is the same as in English, though of course pronounced
> /fQ:r?/. I was surprised to find that in England and Wales
> this isn't considered particularly rude, which makes sense
> as it's a very necessary word. In my area of Scotland, however,
> it would be more usual to substitute a euphemism.
Fairt/Fert?
<sned>

> "Tits"
>
> In my area this is "dous" /du:z/, which, taken literally,
> means "doves". However, "dou" in the singular is a term of
> endearment for a woman, and not offensive at all, as used
> in the drinking song "Toddlin Hame":

 Paps, The place name Paps O Jura. Mebbe no rude, juist colloquial.

> "Penis"
>
> "Tossle" /tos=l/ seems to be the most usual way of saying
> this in Scots: not as rude as some alternatives, yet not
> as polite as some. It literally means "tassle", and "tossle"
> is also used for tassles such as you see hanging from curtains
> and so on. A child's penis is refered to as a "peep" /pip/ in
> my dialect.

Pintle, tadger

Andy Eagle

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From: Criostoir O Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.10.30 (06) [E]
Dear all,

Elsie wrote:

"Also: "sy pis alweer" - she's lacrymose again.
"gepis" - drunk."


While "to be pissed" seems to enjoy general currency in every country with
English except the United States*, in my language you never *just* say
"pissed" to mean "drunk". You are "pisst aat yuh face" (pissed out [of] your
face) or "bollucksed" or "aat y'red" (out [of] your head). Are there any
continental Lowland languages that use this formation, i.e., "out of your
face" to mean drunk? It's quite common in the Englishes of England. It's
also quite a strange construction for English to use. Could it be borrowed
from other Lowland languages?

*Is it true that one way to tell a Canadian apart from someone from the US
is that Canadians say "pissed" to mean "drunk" whereas USers only ever use
the term to mean "angry" and don't understand it as "drunk" at all?

Go raibh maith agaibh,

Críostóir.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Lexicon

I wrote:

> > > "Penis"
> >
> > noun: Pint [p_hInt] (masc., pl. ___s)
> >       Pieler(t) ['p_hi:l3`(t)] (masc., pl. __s)
> >       Piedel ['p_hi:dl=] (masc., pl. __s)
> >       Piehahn ~ Piehaan ['p_hi:hQ:n] (masc., pl. __s)
> >       R: Pisser ['pIs3`] (masc., pl. __s)
> >       R: Dödel ['d9:dl=] (masc., pl. __s)
> >       Pesel ['p_he:sl=]  masc., pl. __s) [mostly of animals]
>
> Add to this lovely array the following:
>
> noun: Niller ['nIl3`] (masc., pl. ___s)
>       Diller ['dIl3`] (masc., pl. ___s)
>       Diddel ['dIdl=] (masc., pl. ___s)

And talking about or to children:

noun: Piller ['p_hIl3`] (masc., pl. ___s)
      Pillermann ['p_hIl3`ma.n] (masc., pl. ___s)

> The
> original meaning of Yiddish _shmok_ or _shmuk_ is 'jewelry', 'finery',
> 'decoration', obviously related to German _Schmuck_ (verb _schmücken_ 'to
> decorate'), LS _Smuck_ (adj. _smuck_ 'pretty', verb _smuck maken_ 'to
> decorate', 'to embellish'), Danish _udsmykning_ (verb _smykke_,
_udsmykke_),
> Swedish _smykke_ (verb _utsmycka_), perhaps also (Old English _smoc_ >)
> "smock" (a type of garment) and verbal "to smock" > "smocking" (a special
> type of decorative garment stitching).  As far as I can tell, because of
the
> replacement, Yiddish does not seem to use _shmok_ or _shmuk_ in the
original
> sense anymore, though the derived noun _shmokler_ ~ _shmukler_ 'lacemaker'
> survives.  The word for 'jewelry', 'finery', 'decoration' tends to be
> _cirung_ (cf. German _Zier_ 'prettiness', _Zierde_ 'embellishment', etc.,
LS
> _Tier_ 'prettiness', 'delicate or affectedly fine manner').  So it seems
the
> taboo replacement word then became tabooized itself and also came to be
used
> as a swerword.  Perhaps you can come up with similar cases in Lowlands
> languages.

Well, an English example would be "cock," which at least in American English
tends to be avoided and substituted with "rooster" in reference to a male
bird, because the former had come to denote 'penis'.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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