LL-L "Holidays" 2003.12.08 (01) [E]

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From: Brian Holton <ctbah at polyu.edu.hk>
Subject: LL-L "Holidays" 2003.12.07 (05) [E]

re Santee
in the '50s and '60s in Selkirkshire (just a bit over the border from
Northumbrian), we always pronounced Santa Claus  as Sawtie Claw(s).

 I have always thought of Northumbrian as a dialect of Scots, rather than a
dialect of English, bythe way. thought the vowel systems are different, many
lexical items are shared. and I have always assumed their comon ancestor to
be the northern form of Old English. the territory was part of the kingdom
of Northumbria, which included modern SE Scotland, until (if I remember
rightly) the current borderline along the River Tweed was established by the
Treaty of Carham in 1040.

cheers

brian
Brian Holton
Assistant Professor, CBS
The Hong Kong Polytechnic University

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From: jannie.lawn <jannie.lawn at ntlworld.com>
Subject: LL-L "Holidays" 2003.12.07 (05) [E]

Dear Lowlanders

Glenn Simpson said: Santeeclaas is santa! Often people here say Santee for
short, a usage which I have not heard anywhere else in England.

I believe that the term 'Sinterklaas' was imported into America from the
Lowlands, there was changed into 'Sant Claus' and then abbreviated to
'Santa'.  But he is not the same as Santa Claus, who people commonly relate
to Christmas, whereas the celebration of Sinterklaas is on the eve of 5 Dec.

Confusion about these issues have led to things such as e.g. the British
'Ladybird' book on 'Christmas celebrations in other countries' stating that
Dutch people celebrate Christmas on the 5th (or 6th) of Dec. (can't remember
which one they said - read it about 23 years ago) !!!  What utter nonsense!
We celebrate Christmas at the same time as anyone in the Western world.
(Don't know about Russian & Greek Orthodox, etc.)

Groeten, Jannie Lawn. Cambridge, UK

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