LL-L "Language contacts" 2003.09.13 (02) [E]

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth at gnu.org>
Subject: LL-L "Language contacts" 2003.09.12 (09) [E]

Thanks Dan. I am actually courious about the negatives in Jutish.

We have 'ej' [ai], ett/itt (depending where you live) and also ikk (from
ikke ofcourse). I have been influences a lot by Colloquial Danish so I
dont really know when ikk are used. I expect it might be like 'icke' in
Swedish but I am not sure.

Anyway, it is pretty obious that:

'ej, ei' are related and that
'ikke, ikk, icke, ikkje' are related as well
but are 'itt, itte, ett, inte, inj' related? and are they related to
'ikke...' or not?

The same counts for the word "møj" (a lot, very)

in Danish this word in 'meget'. In norwegian they use 'mye' and 'meget'
(seldom though) and in Swedish they use 'mycket'

In icelandic they use 'mjøg [my:øg] almost sounds like 'mye', and some
other words (dep on the grammar) that reminds a whole lot about 'meget'

So are 'mye, mjøg, møj, (mycket)' related?
and are they a different word than 'meget, and its fellows'?

Cheers, Kenneth
(sorry if this is a bit off topic)

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language contacts" 2003.09.12 (09) [E]

Jannie wrote:
"If there was a word we didn't know in English, we'd
say it in our own language, and invariably we would
know what the other person meant."

This reminds me of a visit to the Netherlands last
year. My wife is English monolingual and was trying
her best with Dutch in a mixed Frisian- and
Dutch-speaking household, although she didn't know the
names for many objects. A Frisian speaker arrived and
my wife offered him some cheese, although she
struggled to pronounce 'kaas' effectively and he
couldn't understand what she meant as she desperately
pointed to a table full of bread, butter, cheese and
sundry other lunchables. This carried on for a good
while until he clicked that she was trying to
pronounce Dutch 'kaas'. At that point we informed my
wife that should would have been better off sticking
with English, because Fris. 'tsiis' and English
'cheese' are pronounced almost identically - far
closer to each other than 'tsiis' and 'kaas' anyway!

(By the way, he had several cheese sandwiches.)

A good example of making too much linguistic effort
where none was needed!

Criostóir.

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From: James Fortune <jamesrfortune at hotmail.com>
Subject: germanic vs latinate parts of english

Mark,
You wrote:

"The Germanic side of English just seems so much more "down to earth" than
the intellectually high-falutin' Latin side of English."

I remember reading something in the Sunday Times that talked about this. It
conducted a wee bit o research into the modes of speach used by lawyers,
politicians, and other professional "liars" ;-) and noticed that people it
those professions tended to use a higher proportion of latinate words than
anyone else - the politician John Reid uses more than the Queen! The study
suggested that there was a link between lots of latinate words, and a lack
of clarity. I wonder if latinate words tend to have more meanings than good
germanic ones?

Anyway, heres to good, clear, germanic english (and scots!)

james.

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