LL-L "Etymology" 2004.12.01 (01) [E]

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From: GoodbyColumbus at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.11.30 (05) [E]

In a message dated 11/30/2004 4:58:05 PM Central Standard Time,
lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net writes:
  Anyone else in Ireland call a variety of cabbage as Kale?
I can't say anything for Ireland, but kale's a variety of cabbage here in
rural Tennessee.

Brad Conatser

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.30 (02) [E]

> From:  klaus schmirler <KSchmir at online.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.29 (01) [E]
>
>> From: Dave Singleton <davidsin at pt.lu>
>> Subject: LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.28 (07) [E]
>>
>>> Onderwerp: Proverbs
>>> Van: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
>
>>> 3.  An empty stomach makes the kail [soup] excellent.
>>
>> Is this really soup ?? I know kail as cabbage (even in Yorkshire) or
>> is
>> it cabbage soup?
>
> Which reminds me of the doubts I had when I read this -- plus the
> following:
>
> If kail is something other than cabbage, is there a possible gypsy
> influence? I'm still looking for contemporary 14-year-olds who use
> this,
> but in my circles and at that age we said "kahlen" for eating
> (Stuttgart
> region). Spelled in English, "cawler". This is supposed to be
> "jenisch,"
> the language of traveling hawkers, and is practically identical to
> "kol"
> (my made-up spelling) for "food" in some Indian languages.
>
> But perhaps Sandy only meant to clarify that the cabbage is prepared as
> a soup?
>
> klaus
Hi Klaus,

In Flemish we have" kauwel/kouwel/kowel" (=Dutch: kool / English:
cabbage)
Dutch "kauwen" = English " to chew".
Flemish "kauwelen/kowelen" means to  make a mess.

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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From: Heinrich Becker <Heinrich.Becker at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.11.30 (05) [E]

> (2) "(sea-)kale"
Crambe maritime
Du boerekool, LSax groynkool, Germ Grünkohl, Fr chou frisé, Sp col
(rizada),
Por couve, repolho crespo, Pol kapusta włoska, Cz kapusta krmná, Russ
капуста кормовая, капуста огородная,
капуста листовая, Hun tengeri káposzta,
kel, Fin merikaali, Turk kivircik lâhana, lâhana çorbasi, Ar لفت ,
Chin
無  藍類,甘藍類蔬菜 (  甘蓝类,甘蓝类蔬菜), Jap
葉牡丹, Kor 양배추의 일종
Scots: kail
cabbage, colewort; soup (generalized from "cabbage soup"?)

To all who grew up with this fantastic vegetable,

in "Westmünsterland Platt" - greetings to Felix - they have a very short
word: only Moos ! E.g. Sauerkraut is "Suurmoos".

Moaltiid !

Heinrich Becker

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Moyen, Heinrich!

_Moos_ means 'moss' where I come from.  :-)

I totally agree, though: its a great vegetable and a seasonally suitable
topic, given that
kale is the vegetable of choice (probably not originally) in the Continental
Lowlands' Christmas season.

I admit that yesterday I got so inspired that I went and created a new
recipe: a soup with kale as the star ingredient.  It turned out just great.
Nothing inferior about that.  And the _Brassica_ family of plants (all
cabbages, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, etc.) is not only one of
the most nutricious but is also widely believed to be a preventive of cancer
and other ailments. So, folks, don't poo-poo it!  You'll get over the smell.
If you can't, chop or grate it and eat it raw!

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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