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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Language perception"

> From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Language perception" 2004.01.11 (03) [E]
>
> Thanks, Glenn. This is essentially the point I was trying to get across to
> Sandy, who wasn't having a bar of it for some reason. Just
> because Sandy has

I wouldn't have objected if you hadn't exaggerated.

> But of course this thread could easily turn into the battle of the
> anecdotes, couldn't it? No doubt Sandy will thrill us with more tall tales

But they're not tall tales.

> of his miraculous deafness to any denigration of UK regional accents. More

I'm deaf to many things!

> power to you, Sandy! Wish I had the same experiences.

That's what you think!  :)

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Thomas <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Language perception" 2004.01.12 (01) [E]

on 13/1/04 3:16, Tom Maguire <jmaguire at pie.xtec.es> wrote:

> This used to be true. I listen a lot to the worldservice and they seem
> to fall over themselves to include people from many countries speaking
> English with their own accent. One extreme to the other, I
I'd agree with Tom from my own perspective. I like to watch various cable
News services including SKY, CNN, FOX, and BBC. All those stations now have
English announcers with a good range of accents. There are even some Scots
announcers doing a great job I detect both Edinburgh and Glasgow accents
among them.
Regards
Tom
Tom Mc Rae PSOC
Brisbane Australia
"The masonnis suld mak housis stark and rude,
To keep the pepill frome the stormes strang,
And he that fals, the craft it gois all wrang."
>>From 15th century Scots Poem 'The Buke of the Chess'

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From: Thomas <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Language perception" 2004.01.11 (03) [E]

on 12/1/04 11:29,  R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com> wrote:

> but I have heard negative
> comments from English people about other English people's "accents.
There was a hilarious case reported on Oz TV a few years ago where an
English vicar with a posh Home Counties accent was posted to Yorkshire. His
parishioners complained that they had difficulty understanding his plummy
accent and the feature showed him frantically learning the Yorkshire
dialecr.
Regards
Tom
Tom Mc Rae PSOC
Brisbane Australia
"The masonnis suld mak housis stark and rude,
To keep the pepill frome the stormes strang,
And he that fals, the craft it gois all wrang."
>>From 15th century Scots Poem 'The Buke of the Chess'

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From: Tom Maguire <jmaguire at pie.xtec.es>
Subject: LL-L "Language perception" 2004.01.12 (01) [E]

> From: Glenn Simpson <westwylam at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: 'perceptions '[E]
>
> Dear all,
>
> On being ridiculed for a Scots accent - I was
> listening to an interview a few weeks back with the
> Speaker of the House of Commons, Michael Martin the MP
> for Glasgow, who said that he was ridiculed for his
> strong Glaswegian accent when he first got the job.
> This came from both fellow MPs and the press. So, this
> sort of thing still goes on, even at the highest
> levels in the UK.
>
> Keep ahaad,
>
> Glenn Simpson
> Prudhoe
> North'd

Hello All,

I dont' t live in the UK currently, but I have noticed quite a change in
perspective as to Scottish accent in recent years. I believe this is due
to Ministers of the Realm using the accent.

In other words, I think accent is not linguistically important, only
politcally - power - important. If someone with power speaks in a
certain accent, Robin Cook, The PM, The Chancellor of the Exchequer,
then the accent is of import. If William Wallance speaks in a Scottish
accent, then it is of no importance, because he is not a powerful
character. except in the 21st, cent and because of an Australian
actor...

Accent is not LINGUISTIC, it is POLITICAL, that is, pertaining to the
power of the status quo.

My best bet is to adopt the accent of the ruling party - that way you
will be associated with the powerful group.

Good (linguistic) luck,

Tam
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