LL-L "Language survival" 2004.05.03 (11) [E]

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A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
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From: ezinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2004.05.03 (04) [E]

Hi all,

Mark, your list to console Mike Wintzer should not include Fanagalo.

I'm working in the heart of the SA mining industry and most black mine
workers regard Fanagalo with great suspicion as a tongue devised by
white bosses to keep them uneducated and half-skilled. The bigger SA
mining houses have started 20 years ago with basic adult language education
to provide mine workers with language skills to adapt to a world outside the
mine.

Regards
Elsie Zinsser
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This to console you; a short list of languages made by man, & not broken
by governments (though they tried).
Modern Hebrew
Afrikaans
Fanagolo
Yiddish (in Israel)
& now a list of languages preserved by the community in spite of the
hostility of the machinery of government.
Erse
Scots (Inglis)
Welsh
Coptic
Fries
Can you whip up some more?

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Mark:

> & now a list of languages preserved by the community in spite of the
> hostility of the machinery of government.
> Erse
> Scots (Inglis)
> Welsh
> Coptic
> Fries
> Can you whip up some more?

Do you include "non-support," "indirectly discouraging" and "ignoring" under
"hostility"?  In that case, Lowlands Saxon (Low German) should be included.
Its situation is fairly similar to that of Scots.  "Discouraging" is a mild
expression if we consider that use of both languages in schools and in
religious instruction used to be a punishable offence.  Most importantly,
both languages had been relegated to "dialect" status and thus denied
"special" rights (LS also in the Netherlands), something that tends to be
done where a minority (including "regional") language is closely related to
the dominant language.  I suppose this is similar to Afrikaans prior to
official recognition, when it was considered debased Dutch, and "good" Dutch
was in official use.  Other cases include Kashubian in Northern Poland,
Scanian in Southern Sweden, non-Anatolian Turkic languages (Azeri, Crimean,
Kazakh, Kirghiz, Kumyk, Turkmen, Uyghur, Uzbek) in Turkey, Walloon in
Belgium, Ryukyuan (i.e., Amami-Oshima, Kikai, Kunigami, Miyako,
Oki-no-Erabu, Okinawan, Toku-no-Shima, Yaeyama, Yonaguni and Yoron) in
Japan, and not to forget the "dialects" of China as well as numerous African
languages declared "dialects."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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