LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.04 (03) [E]

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From: Roger Hondshoven <roger.hondshoven at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.03 (07) [E]

Hello Ben,

The Old-Germanic aspirated voiced plosive gh- developed into a fricative
voiced g- in Dutch (see M. Schönfeld, Historische Grammatica van het
Nederlands). Dutch distinguishes between a voiced g and a voiceless ch
(in some cases written g), although this distinction is growing weaker
in Northern Dutch. In Southern Dutch and Flemish the distinction is
still well maintained.
You made an interesting remark about any similirarity between French r
and Dutch g.To Dutch ears the difference is unmistakable. To French ears
this is not necessarily so. In the late fifties I taught Dutch to
Walloon (or otherwise Frenchspeaking) pupils in the former Belgian
Congo. I was surprised to find out that some (I assume linguistically or
auditively less gifted) pupils wrote r for my g in their dictations.

Kind regards,

Roger Hondshoven

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.03 (07) [E]

> From: Ben J. Bloomgren <godsquad at cox.net>
> Subject: Phonology
>
> Goede Meddaag, alle. Please forgive my horrid Dutch spelling, but I was
> wondering about the pronunciation of g in Dutch. When did it begin to
> be
> pronounced like ch? Is there supposed to be any difference in modern
> Dutch
> between g and ch? Being an amateur linguist with zero experience, I
> would
> theorize that g would be pronounced similar to High French r. If I
> have no
> business theorizing, then tell me so.
> Ben
Hi Ben, ook goede middag!

Indeed, g and ch sound almost the same in Dutch.
In my region though the g sounds h and the h is not heard. The ch
sounds h.
 From Flanders,
groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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