LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.30 (02) [E]

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From:  klaus schmirler <KSchmir at online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.29 (01) [E]

> From: Dave Singleton <davidsin at pt.lu>
> Subject: LL-L "Proverbs" 2004.11.28 (07) [E]
>
>> Onderwerp: Proverbs
>> Van: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>

>> 3.  An empty stomach makes the kail [soup] excellent.
>
> Is this really soup ?? I know kail as cabbage (even in Yorkshire) or is
> it cabbage soup?

Which reminds me of the doubts I had when I read this -- plus the following:

If kail is something other than cabbage, is there a possible gypsy
influence? I'm still looking for contemporary 14-year-olds who use this,
but in my circles and at that age we said "kahlen" for eating (Stuttgart
region). Spelled in English, "cawler". This is supposed to be "jenisch,"
the language of traveling hawkers, and is practically identical to "kol"
(my made-up spelling) for "food" in some Indian languages.

But perhaps Sandy only meant to clarify that the cabbage is prepared as
a soup?

klaus

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Proverbs

Sandy:

>  3.  A teem wime maks the kail fine.
>  3.  An empty stomach makes the kail [soup] excellent.

I can think of two possible equivalents in Lowlands Saxon (Low German):

1.  Hunger drivt 't rin.
     <Hunger drifft 't rin.>
     [German: Hunger treibt's rein.]
     ("Hunger drives/forces it in.")
     Hunger makes it go down.

2.  In dey nood vritt dey duyvel vleygen.
     <In de Noot fritt de Düvel Flegen.>
     [German: In der Not frisst der Teufel Fliegen.]
     If desperate, the devil eats flies.

1 tends to be used only with reference to food.  2 may be used in other
contexts as well, meaning something like "Anything will will be good enough
if you're desperate enough."

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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