LL-L "Slavonic connections" 2004.09.30 (14) [E]

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From: john feather <johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Slavonic connexions

Ron wrote:

>Colonizers (beginning in the 12th cenury) did not only include Germans and
Saxons but also various people from what are now the Netherlands and Belgium
(if not also Northern France).  There were even sprinklings of
Scots, if you believe it or not!  A place near (in?) Gdansk (Danzig): Nowe
zkoty (Neu Schottland in German).<

I believe! I believe! I think this refers to the Aberdonian (in particular)
merchants who traded in Gdansk and Cracow in the late 16th and early 17th
centuries. Part of the reason was a trade in oak for the Aberdeen
shipbuilding industry with coal going in the opposite direction. But not
colonisation. Just a bunch of Scottish ex-Macs in a home away from home (as
Americans curiously say)!

www.aabne-samlinger.dk (/venderprojekt/stednavne) has an article HVOR BOEDE
VENDERNE PÅ LOLLAND-FALSTER? by Friederike W. Housted which discusses all
the Wendish place-names in this area. Sorry for the shouting but this way I
can use the proper spelling. It seems that the few names which can be dated
probably originated in the later 12th century and not during the Viking
period as previously thought. The paucity of Slavonic geographical names
suggests that the places were founded by incomers to a settled area but
there's no good archaeological evidence and in some cases the later/current
settlement may be some way from the original one. I haven't looked at the
rest of the site.

John Feather CS johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk

Translation is one damn tongue after another

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Slavonic connections

Thanks for believing, John.

I am under the impression that for many Saxons trading and colonization went
hand in hand, which offered itself to them because it was a neighboring
region whose inhabitants were fair game because they had not yet been
Christianized.  The merchants' ranks were boosted by land-seeking
immigrants, whereas the Scots were a small bunch that had come a long way
across the water.  The beginning of the Hanseatic Trading League pretty much
coincided with the beginning of eastward colonization.  Converting the
"heathens," establishing trading posts and trading routes, and occupying
land for the hungry and adventurous from the west all went together.  The
Hanseatic League was originally established to forge a protective alliance
against then rampant piracy, but it grew into a trading alliance and to some
degree into a multinational corporation.  It is not altogether different
from Swedish (Rus) colonization and eventual domination of Russia, beginning
with "exploratory raids" in search of trading posts and trading routes all
the way down to the Black Sea.

> www.aabne-samlinger.dk (/venderprojekt/stednavne)

Nice presentation!  Thanks!  Great Polabian place name reconstructions!
Slavonic presence in Denmark seems to have been even more significant than I
had imagined.
The correct URL:
http://www.aabne-samlinger.dk/venderprojekt/slaviske_stednavne.htm

I wonder if the place names Glinke and Glindtzetofft in Northern Falster
don't just refer to clay, just as Draveno-Polabian Glain (< glin(a)) for
Lunenburg (Lüneburg) seems to do.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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