LL-L "Phonology" 2004.10.19 (05) [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
L O W L A N D S - L * 19.OCT.2004 (05) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
http://www.lowlands-l.net * lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
Rules & Guidelines: http://www.lowlands-l.net/index.php?page=rules
Posting: lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org or lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
Server Manual: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html
Archives: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html
Encoding: Unicode (UTF-8) [Please switch your view mode to it.]
=======================================================================
You have received this because you have been subscribed upon request.
To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l" as message
text from the same account to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or
sign off at http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================
A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
=======================================================================

From: Gary Taylor <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Orthography

Hi Ron 'n' all

Ron, you asked:
"But where *do* the Saxon dialects of the Netherlands
pronounce /v/ as
this
"devoiced v"?  As initials followed by vowels?  E.g.,
_vechten_ 'to
fight',
_vinden_ 'to find', _vaak_ ~ _vaken_ 'often'?"

I went to a phonology conference in Potsdam 2 weeks ago and there was a talk
on just this subject about if v and f are pronounced differently or merged.
Unfortunately I didn't listen closely enough, as it's not really my area of
interest. The study was conducted with speakers from the Netherlands and
Belgium all speaking regional 'standard' Dutch, so not for regional
dialects. They thought the results would show that these initial v/f were
most commonly merged around Utrecht/the Hague (I think - can't remember the
exact area, but somewhere round the middle-west of the Netherlands). What
they actually found was that they were merged most regularly around
Groningen, where they were practically always merged, and least merged
around West-Flanders, although even here there was some merging, which most
Belgians would probably
vehemently deny. Anyway, sorry I didn't pay more attention or manage to get
the talk notes, then I
could have been a lot more help.

Gary

----------

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Thanks a lot, Gary.

I wonder if it is correct to think of this /w/ - /v/ - /f/ thing as an areal
feature, as a Dutch feature that has influenced the farwestern Saxon
dialects, or as a "Low German" (branch) feature that is common to Low
Franconian and Lowlands Saxon, that the dialects on the German side of the
border have lost it under German influence, as Ingmar suggested.

What about Westerlauwer Frisian, Limburgish, Zeelandic and Western Flemish?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

==============================END===================================
* Please submit postings to lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org.
* Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
* Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
* Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
  to be sent to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or at
  http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================