LL-L "Idiomatica" 2004.09.14 (01) [E]

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2004.09.13 (13) [E]

Ron wrote:
> lange tenen hebben (<lange Tähn hebben> "to have long teeth")
> mit lange tenen eten (<mit lange Tähn eten> "to eat with long teeth")
> mit lange tenen kau(g)en (<mit lange Tähn kau(g)en> "to chew with long
> teeth")
>
> They all denote eating with great caution, without enjoyment, with
disgust,
> etc.
>
> Here is another phrase involving teeth (and there are many):
>
> so veel as in 'n hollen teen
> (<so veel as in'n hollen Tähn>)
> "as much as in a hollow tooth"
>
> This denotes an amount of food that is way too small, not satisfying.
> Is this more widely spread?

Well, my mother says both all the time: "mit langen Zähnen essen" and
"gerade so für den hohlen Zahn". She's from Mecklenburg and doesn't speak
Platt in day-to-day life, but often borrows Lower Saxon expressions into
High German. These two, however, might as well be originally High German.

Gabriele Kahn

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2004.09.13 (13) [E]

Dear Reinhard,
In Sandaard Dutch  - lange tenen hebben -   (to have long toes)  is an
expression used in the
same way as the more normal -snel op z'n teentjes getrapt zijn- (to be
stepped on ones toes quickly),
and both are saying that someone feels offended or hurt by others very
easily.
But it has nothing to do with eating or food...    Ingmar

> lange tenen hebben (<lange Tähn hebben> "to have long teeth")
> mit lange tenen eten (<mit lange Tähn eten> "to eat with long teeth")
> mit lange tenen kau(g)en (<mit lange Tähn kau(g)en> "to chew with long
> teeth")
> >
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Idiomatica

Thanks, Gabriele and Ingmar!

> Well, my mother says both all the time: "mit langen Zähnen essen" and
> "gerade so für den hohlen Zahn". She's from Mecklenburg and doesn't speak
> Platt in day-to-day life, but often borrows Lower Saxon expressions into
> High German. These two, however, might as well be originally High German.

I don't think I never come across it before.  My mother, who was born and
raised in Altona, her father in the border region of Mecklenburg and Western
Pomerania and her mother in a previously Sorbian-speaking and now mostly
German-speaking part of Lower Silesia, used to refer to the same thing in
Missingsch-based German as _hoch kauen_ ("to chew high"); e.g., _Was kaussu
(~ kaust du) denn so hoch?_ [vas 'ka.Usu (~ 'ka.Ustu) dE.n zo ho:x] 'What's
wrong with your food?', 'What's gotten into you that you're eating as though
I've fed you something disgusting?'  I've come across this in Lowlands Saxon
(Low German) also: _Wat kau(g)s(t) du denn so hoog?_ [vat 'ka.U(x)s(t)u dE.n
zo ho:x] (same meaning).

Ingmar:

> In Sandaard Dutch  - lange tenen hebben -   (to have long toes)  is an
> expression used in the
> same way as the more normal -snel op z'n teentjes getrapt zijn- (to be
> stepped on ones toes quickly),
> and both are saying that someone feels offended or hurt by others very
> easily.
> But it has nothing to do with eating or food...    Ingmar

Ah, that's because we are talking about two different words:

teen (<Tähn> ~ <Tehn> [tE:n] ~ [te:n]) 'tooth'
   teen (<Tähn> ~ <Tehn> [tE:n(:)] ~ [te:n(:)]) 'teeth'
   (Dutch: tand - tanden)

teyn (<Tehn> [tE.In]) 'toe'
   teynen (<Tehn> [tE.In(:)]) 'toes'
   (Dutch: teen - tenen)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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