LL-L "Phonology" 2004.09.29 (06) [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
L O W L A N D S - L * 29.SEP.2004 (06) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
http://www.lowlands-l.net * lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
Rules & Guidelines: http://www.lowlands-l.net/index.php?page=rules
Posting: lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org or lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
Server Manual: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html
Archives: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html
Encoding: Unicode (UTF-8) [Please switch your view mode to it.]
=======================================================================
You have received this because you have been subscribed upon request.
To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l" as message
text from the same account to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or
sign off at http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================
A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
=======================================================================

From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.09.28 (02) [E]

Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl> wrote:
>
> Beste Henry, some people who don't (see below) are doing it wrong.
 >
"Wrong" is a word I abhor when it's used to refer to people's way of
speaking. The intended meaning is usually "different than me", or
"different than the majority". Different is something else than wrong.

> That is: at least officially, when we are looking at the Standard Dutch
> pronunciation of the Netherlands.
 >
There isn't one, in my opinion. What's the standard pronunciation then,
according to you?

> Of course many people who speak a region variety or with an accent can
have
> different pronunciations,
 >
That's more like _will_ have a different pronunciation.

> According to the Dutch Pronunciation Dictionary intervocally we
> pronounce -w- [w] (like Engl. w).
 >
I don't know the Dutch Pronunciation Dictionary, however I assume that
since the title is in English, it's written by a foreigner? Is there a
pronunciation dictionary in Dutch, by a native?

> Or I should say: -uw-, because this "w" always has a "u" before it, and
the
> combination -uw- = [w].
 >
Ah, "uw" I always pronounce with English w, I believe. On a side note:
don't the Flemish pronounce that w the same as initial w?

> Dutch doesn't have intervocal -w- without "u" in native words (unlike
> Afrikaans).
 >
I assume you're referring to the spelling here, words always having a u
in front of a w when used intervocally. Right?

regards,
Henry

==============================END===================================
* Please submit postings to lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org.
* Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
* Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
* Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
  to be sent to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or at
  http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================