LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.01 (01) [E]

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From: Tom Mc Rae <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.03.31 (02) [E]

On 01/04/2005, at 2:36 AM, heather rendall
<HeatherRendall at compuserve.com> wrote:

> to conk out = to fail / break down- especially of a car      After a
> few
> minutes the engine conked out.
>
> I cannot remember it being used  to refer to people -

It certainly was in my youth in Edinburgh Scotland, especially on
January 2nd when Hogmanay survivors would tell about how poor X 'conked
out' around 2 am.

As to conkers while in Ghana I looked over specimen elementary math
questions and found they had simply transferred English ones lock stock
and barrel. There was one that stated James has 5 conkers, Charles has
twice that number plus 3. How many do they have all together ? I
enquired of my local staff if they knew what a conker was.....no way !
Regards
Tom Mc Rae
Brisbane Australia
Oh Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us
Tae See Oorsel's as Ithers See Us
Robert Burns

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.03.31 (03) [E]

Hi all,

Ron, Marsha:

The Afrikaans pronunciation of 'koek' is more like the /oo/ in 'took'
than the oo in soon.

[Ron said: Afrikaans cognates are _koek_, pronounced "kook" (with "oo" as
in "soon"), _pannekoek_ being "pancake."  Low Saxon (Northern Saxon
dialects) has _kouken_ (<Koken>), pronounced like "koken" or "kowken", with
the pancake derivation _pan-kouken_ (<Pannkoken>).  Medieval Low Saxon has
_k?ke_.

Cheerio!
Elsie Zinsser

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2005.03.31 (10) [E/German]


Ron wrote:
"(Bewar, bewar! Aprelissott!)"

Is the second syllable in _aprelissott_ the same word as the now archaic
Eng. _sot_ meaning "fool" (but latterly also a euphemisim for "drunkard"
e.g., _Suleyman the Sot_ as a nickname for one of the Ottoman sultans if I
recall)? If so, where do _sot_ and _fool_ come from?

It being close to April Fools' Day I thought I would ask a daft / easy /
lazy question.

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology


Ûser léofe fríond Críostóir wrát bufan:

> Is the second syllable in _aprelissott_ the same word as the now archaic
> Eng. _sot_ meaning "fool" (but latterly also a euphemisim for "drunkard"
> e.g., _Suleyman the Sot_ as a nickname for one of the Ottoman sultans
> if I recall)?

Gíese.

Actually, it's the fourth syllable, and the compound noun is my invention,
though the components are really Old English.

> If so, where do _sot_ and _fool_ come from?

SOT:
OEng _sott_ < OFrench _sot_  < Latin _sottus_
> MidDutch _sot_ ~ _sod_ > ModDutch _zot_, MidSax _sot(t)_ > ModSax _sot_
> (<Sott>)
'fool, 'drunkard'

FOOL:
MidEng _fôl_ < OFrench _fol_ (> ModFrench _fou_)
Cf. folly < Mid Eng _folie_ < OFrench _folie_

Æt fríondlîce grœtan,
Reinhard/Ron

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