LL-L "Names" 2005.07.19 (08) [E]

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.07.19 (03) [E]

Hi, Ron,

there are even three 'Amerikas' in Germany, as I found out:

Amerika, Niedersachsen, Cloppenburg, DE
Amerika, Niedersachsen, Wittmund, DE
Amerika, Sachsen, Mittweida, DE

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.07.19 (07) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
> Subject: Names
>
> Welcome back, dear Heiko, and _Hummel-Hummel_!  It's great to see you
> again.
>
> I say ["hambURk] in "good" German, ["hambUIC] in Missingsch or other
> "bad" Northern German, and ["ha:\mbOVx] in Low Saxon.  In Low Saxon I
> say ["ma%IdebOVx] for what in German is _Magdeburg_ (["ma(:)gd at bURk],
> but in Missingsch ["mQ:gdebUIC]), and I spell it _Maideborg_ in Low
> Saxon.  I would never adopt the "phonetic" spelling _...borch_.  The
> [x] or [C] pronunciations are merely allophones of final <-g>,
> allophones by rule. When you add _-er_ you would always use <-g->
> (_Hamborger_ ["ha%mbOVg3`], _Maideborger_ ["ma%IdebOVg3`]).
>
> Since Low Saxon has no standard orthography, I suggest people write
> place names as they are pronounced in their individual dialects.  For
> instance, in the dialect of Bielefeld they pronounce and write the
> name of their city _Builefeild_, but I say and write _Biel(e)feld_
> ["bi:l(e)fE%lt].
>
> Tschüß!
>
> Reinhard/Ron

Hi Ron,

In SAMPA % is a secondary stress marker. The half length marker is :/

David Barrow

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Names

Hi, Dave!

Thanks so much for reminding me!  Why is it that I a soooo slow in keeping % 
and :/ apart?  I deserve a slap on the wrist -- but please only on the left 
wrist this week, what with my right arm currectly killing me.

So here I go again:

***
I say ["hambURk] in "good" German, ["hambUIC] in Missingsch or other
"bad" Northern German, and ["ha:\mbOVx] in Low Saxon.  In Low Saxon I
say ["ma:/IdebOVx] for what in German is _Magdeburg_ (["ma(:)gd at bURk],
but in Missingsch ["mQ:gdebUIC]), and I spell it _Maideborg_ in Low
Saxon.  I would never adopt the "phonetic" spelling _...borch_.  The
[x] or [C] pronunciations are merely allophones of final <-g>,
allophones by rule. When you add _-er_ you would always use <-g->
(_Hamborger_ ["ha:/mbOVg3`], _Maideborger_ ["ma:/IdebOVg3`]).

Since Low Saxon has no standard orthography, I suggest people write
place names as they are pronounced in their individual dialects.  For
instance, in the dialect of Bielefeld they pronounce and write the
name of their city _Builefeild_, but I say and write _Biel(e)feld_
["bi:l(e)fE:/lt].
***

Thanks for your patience!

Reinhard/Ron

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