LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.22 (01) [E]

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.21 (09) [E]

Jo Thijs wrote:
> > >"yerne, gierne, cf. LS geyrn, D geern" ---
>
> > Thus, I really believe that we have here a root that may reach back to
> > Proto-Indo-European.
>
> Van Dale mentions lat. _horiari_ (later hortari) and greek _chairein_,
> (lemma 'begeren').
> >From the same base derived are (according van Dale) Mdld. grettich
> (vertoornd), gretten (irriteren) Mdlhg. graz (woede), grazen (schreeuwen,
> aanmatigend handelen), propably connected with Ohg. gratag, Oe groedig
> (begerig) got. gredags (hongerig).

Any connection to English "grief, grieve" and German "Gram", "grämen", then?

Gabriele Kahn

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From: Þjóðríkr Þjóðreksson <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: Etymology


And the other Dutch word, "graag", with deletion of the /d/ between vowels,
from gradig.

>Van Dale mentions lat. _horiari_ (later hortari) and greek
>_chairein_,
>(lemma 'begeren').
>>>From the same base derived are (according van Dale) Mdld. grettich
>(vertoornd), gretten (irriteren) Mdlhg. graz (woede), grazen
>(schreeuwen,
>aanmatigend handelen), propably connected with Ohg. gratag, Oe
>groedig
>(begerig) got. gredags (hongerig).
>
>Groete
>
>Jo Thys

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Etymology" [E]

> From: Arthur Jones <arthurobin2002 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: ETYMOLOGY 2005.21.05 (01) [E]
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
>
> >Sandy wrote,
> >"yerne, gierne, cf. LS geyrn, D geern" ---
>
> Thanks for linking them up, Sandy! This is one of my favourite chapters of
> etymology. Twenty years ago, a Welsh folk singing group, "Ar Log",
> recorded
> (and played in concert) a well-known ballad called "hyraeth", which in
> Welsh
> is a special term for homesickness, yearning, aching for homeland, the
> melancholy of diaspora, etc.

Yes, that's a very haunting song - I learned it from sheet music some years
ago - the Welsh really slides off the tongue effortlessly! For all it
suggests in the lyrics, I think I experience more of this hiraeth than any
of the actual Welsh expats I know!

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Arthur (iupa):
>
> > >Sandy wrote,
> > >"yerne, gierne, cf. LS geyrn, D geern" ---
>
> Not that it's important or anything, but I thought I had written that.
>
> It's also related to German _Gier_ (greed), _gieren_ (to lust) and
> _begehren_ (to desire, to yearn for), also to Scots _green_ (to desire, to
> yearn for).

My contribution was to add that it might be related to Scots "girn" - to
moan or weep.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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