LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.26 (02) [E]

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From: Kevin Caldwell <kcaldwell31 at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.25 (08) [E]

> From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Dear Lowlanners,
>
> a good week ago I did ask you for the explanation of _thegn_ - an no one
> answered! (Buu-uuh-  I felt unloved by all of you ☺)!
> I made my own investigations and found it out to be a more Old Saxon than
> an
> English term, in the varying meanings of : G: ‘Nachkömmling’, maybe
> ‘Lehensmann’, but also ‘Degen’, E: ‘sword’.
>
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> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Jonny:
> This is what I know:
>
> Old English: þegn, þegen, þén 'boy', 'servant', 'warrior', 'hero'
> Old Saxon: thegan 'boy', 'servant', 'warrior', 'hero'
> Old German: degan  'boy', 'servant', 'warrior', 'hero' > Degen
> Old Norse: þegn 'freeman', 'liegeman'
> Gothic: ?
> Germanic: *þegno 'child', 'boy'
> Pre-Germanic: *tek-nó- 'child'
> Greek: τέκνον (téknon) 'child' (tek- ~ tok- 'to beget')

The modern English word is 'thane'.

Kevin Caldwell

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From: Þjóðríkr Þjóðreksson <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.25 (08) [E]


>This is what I know:
>
>Old English: þegn, þegen, þén 'boy', 'servant', 'warrior',
>'hero'
>Old Saxon: thegan 'boy', 'servant', 'warrior', 'hero'
>Old German: degan  'boy', 'servant', 'warrior', 'hero' > Degen
>Old Norse: þegn 'freeman', 'liegeman'
>Gothic: ?
>Germanic: *þegno 'child', 'boy'
>Pre-Germanic: *tek-nó- 'child'
>Greek: τέκνον (téknon) 'child' (tek- ~ tok- 'to beget')

My Dutch etym dictio still lists degen (brave warrior) from the same root.
This word is now totally absent from modern Dutch, but I think houwdegen
(vechter, vechtersbaas in a pejorative sense) may be considered its last
relict. I never use this word but I've met it a few times in books. P.S. it
seems to be neuter everywhere? In Dutch it's masculine.

The Gothic word (þaihn?þign???) has not been found in any of the 2
dictionaries I browsed. I guess it's absent then :)

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From: Helge Tietz <helgetietz at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.05.25 (06) [E/LS]


The fact that "moin" is used throughout the whole day in Slesvig-Holsten
proves that its origin are "moien dag" and not "good morning", it is also
used in Sønderjylland as "møjn", interestingly it is used there also as a
way of saying good-bye, corresponing therefore to its use in Drenthe,
Fryslan and Groningen. Often we use it doubling it up, so we say
"moin-moin", or better we pronounce it "moi-moin", walking with my
grandfather through our village it was a normal ritual doing this to anyone
coming along the way. To me there is very little doubt that moin corresponds
to Dutch "mooi", wether it is derived from an old Frisian/Low
Saxon/Sønderjysk word now extinct or being imported through the once
plentyful trading-connections to Fryslan and Groningen is up to debate.

Moin!

Helge

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