LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.14 (06) [E/LS]

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14 November 2005 * Volume 06
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From: Heiko Evermann <heiko.evermann at gmx.de>
Subject: Jandaddel

Moin tosamen,

ik hebb jüst mit mien Fru över "Jandaddel" snackt. Op und Hochtied harr mien
Mudder mien Familie vörstellt. Mien Tante (mien Modder ehr Schwägerin) weer
ok dor. Mien Onkel (mien Modder ehr Broder) weer al vele Johrenden 
doodbleven
und mien Tante weer mit ehr Fründ dor. Un dor hett mien Modder em as mien
Tante ehr Jandaddel vörstellt. Dat is nu üm un bi 8 Jahr her. In de
Twischentiet hett mien Tante ehrn "Jandaddel" ok heirat.

Un nu hebb ik mit mien Fru disketeert, wat Jandaddel nu 'n fründlich Utdruck
is, un wo dat herkümmt, un ik weet dat nich.

Weet ji wat över Jandaddel? In't Internett hebb ik nix funnen.

Hartlich Gröten,

Heiko

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

[English below]

Heiko schreyv' (baven):

> Weet ji wat över Jandaddel? In't Internett hebb ik nix funnen.

Tjer, dat kümt daar vun, dat dat 'n naam wesen schal un as twey woyrd' 
schreven wardt: "Jan Daddel" or "Jan Dattel".

Dat is nu so 'n algemeyn-naam vör "boyfriend" -- sachs as 'n "geneerschen" 
naam an-vungen, so wat as "Jan Sounso" ...

Ik glouv' stark, düt "Daddel" or "Dattel" kümt vun _daddeln_ ~ _datteln_ af 
('to fool around', 'to play around', ook _rümdaddeln_ ~ _rümdatteln_).  Ik 
weet nich of dat verwandt is mit _daddeldu_ ~ _datteldu_ [da=l"du:] in d'n 
schargong vun de varens-luyd' -- dat beduydt 'daan!' or 'fardig!' (Hamborger 
Missingsch "Fädich issie Laube"), Duytsch "erledigt!", "Das war's", "Das ist 
erstmal genug", un 't kümt vun Ingelsch "that'll do" af.

Myn teory is dat dat mit "Jan Daddeldu" anners an-vungen har, so wat as 
"John ... well, that'll do" ... villicht gaar bruukt as "john" up Ingelsch 
... 'n kund vun so 'n ... nu ja, weetst al ... perfeschonelle daam in Sankt 
Pauli.  Dat beduyden is den sachs "Naams wardt hyr nich bruukt, is allens 
annonuym."  Ik hev dat al in dennen sin hoyrd (t.b. "Na Schultes gaat tou 
meyrst nutten mit jüm er Jan Dattels hin supen.")

Folks,

Our Heiko asked about the Low Saxon term _Jandaddel_ with the general 
meaning "boyfriend" or "beau."  He said that he couldn't find any 
information about it on the web.  I suggested that this is because it is 
really a name and ought to be written as two words: "Jan Daddel" or "Jan 
Dattel" (_Jan_ being "John").  Furthermore, I explained that I believed 
_Daddel_ or _Dattel_ to be derived from the verb _(rüm)daddeln_ ~ 
_(rüm)datteln_ 'to fool around', 'to muck about'.  It may also be related to 
the nautical expression _daddeldu_ ~ _datteldu_ [da=l"du:], meaning 'that's 
all', 'that's it for now', derived from English "that'll do."  In that case, 
this _Daddel_ ~ _Dattel_ would stand for something like "So-and-So" -- "her 
... John ... That'll do" (no names here please!).  I suspect that before 
"boyfriend" it had the meaning "john," namely the client of a prostitute, 
and in Hamburg's "classical" era these were mostly sailors who would indeed 
use the expression _daddeldu_ and introduce it to the local _Landratten_ 
("land rats").  In fact, I have heard it used in this sense, much like "The 
bar is frequented by working girls and their 'boyfriends'/johns."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron 

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