LL-L "Phonology" 2005.11.24 (02) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 24 November 2005 * Volume 02
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From: "Ingmar Roerdinkholder" <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.11.23 (05) [E]

I typed <uña>  with N tilde, and <Kòrsou>, with O accent grave, but
now  I
see all kind of strange signs appear at the screen...
So: uña = unya


>From: "Ingmar Roerdinkholder" <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
>Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.11.19 (01) [E/Papiamentu]
>
>To come back again to the subject Papiamento and its tonal feature,
>I'll give you an example:
>
>There are two words "karga", both with stress at the first syllable (kar-
).
>But "karga" low tone-high tone means "to carry" and "karga" high tone-low
>tone means "load" (noun).
>
>Same with "uña", with stress at the first syllable in both cases,
>when the "u-" has low tone, it means "nail", but when "u-" has high pitch,
>is means something else.
>And "berde" means green or true, depending on the tone.
>Sorry, I don't recall everything exactly, it's quite long ago... I must
>have a Papi-dictionary somewhere in a dusty box at the attick, but where.
>
>One more important thing: in (y)our Wren translation you use the adverbial
>suffix "-mente" quite a lot. Isn't -mente Spanish?
>Shouldn't that be "-mentu", as in the language name?
>
>Or "-mento" for the Aruba variety, which has final -o usually - like in
>Spanish- where Kòrsou/Boneiru have -u - as Portuguese.
>Did you know that most Arubianos are not "black" as the
Curaçolenõs,
>but
>look more like typical Latin-Americans, i.e. a mixture of Europeans,
>Indians (Natives) and Africans? E.g. my ex-girlfriend had the skin colour
>of a general Spaniard, big green-grey eyes and straight, pitch-black hair.
>Her mother had blue eyes and dark brown, waved hair. An Aruban friend of
>mine had reddish dark brown curly hair, dark brown eyes but a pale skin,
>and a very broad nose. The Arubans themselves like to think that they are
>mainly of Indian (Arowak and/or Carib) descendance with some Spanish and
>Dutch blood. How that all may be, in European (Dutch) eyes it's all quite
>striking, because we use to think that all inhabitants of the Dutch
>Antilles are "negroes".
>
>One other thing about tones and accents I've been wondering about for
>many years already, but never heard or read something or someone about:
>in French, the last syllable of a word bears stress, as a rule.
>But in modern spoken French, there seems to be a tendency to withdraw the
>stress to the first syllable. A tendency, I said, this doesn't mean that
>the first syllable actually gets the stress now, and the result sounds, in
>my ears, as if the first syllable in French gets a higher tone than the
>last, stressed one.
>Does this sound familiar to someone, does anyone recognize and / or
>understand what I mean?
>I always found this fascinating, but my French teachers didn't see what I
>was talking about...
>
>Ingmar
>
>Reinchi a skirbi:
>>Please note what I write (at the end) about the much-noted tonal feature.
>>According to my analysis it is a case of tonal stress, apparently as a
>>result of a marriage between tonal types of (African) languages with
>>"normal" stress assigning languages (Portuguese, Portuguese Ladino,
>>Spanish, Spanish Ladino, Dutch, English, probably indigenous and now
>>extinct Antillian Carib Arawakan varieties).

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, Ingmar!

Sorry.  I've tried all available encoding modes, and not a single one
brings up the symbols you chose ...  I don't know why that is.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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