LL-L 'Names' 2006.08.02 (05) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 02 August 2006 * Volume 05
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From: 'Brooks, Mark' <mark.brooks at twc.state.tx.us>
Subject: LL-L 'Names' 2006.08.02 (01) [E/LS]

Ron wrote: "Whether unofficially or officially, it is never a good idea to
call an interethnically united country by one of the ethnic names."

I must admit that as an English speaker and American, I used Holland and
Netherlands interchangeably until I learned the difference as a result of
being on this list. I suppose it's like people referring to Americans as
Yankees, when there are large numbers of people in the southern US who would
object to being called that.

Mark Brooks 

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From: 'Kevin and Cheryl Caldwell' <kevin.caldwell1963 at verizon.net>
Subject: LL-L 'Names' 2006.08.02 (01) [E/LS]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Names
>
> (2)
> As longer-standing members of LL-L will attest, I advocate and try to
> practise
> using language and terminology that are as unoffensive to as many people
> as
> possible. This has nothing to do with much poo-pooed "political
> correctness" but
> has everything to do with consideration of and respect for sensitivities
> in
> international and interethnic communication. Of course you can't please
> everyone, but you can at least try and demonstrate goodwill, at least
> wherever
> you are aware of sensitivities and preferences. For this reason alone I
> would
> not use "Hollander" (unless in very specific contexts), just as I would
> not call
> Yakuts or Volga Tatars "Russians" (though they may be Russian citizens),
> Cornishmen and -women "English" (though they are English citizens) or
> Kurds
> "Turks" or "Persians" (though they may be citizens of Turkey or Iran).

In modern Russian, there is a clear distinction between "russkiye" (ethnic
Russians) and "rossijskiye" (citizens of the Russian Federaion).

Kevin Caldwell

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Hi, Kevin!

> In modern Russian, there is a clear distinction between "russkiye" (ethnic
> Russians) and "rossijskiye" (citizens of the Russian Federaion).

True, but not in English or other languages I can think of.

Well, I take that back.  In Mennonite Low Saxon (_Plautdietsch_) you seem to be
able to distinguish between _Russe(n)_ (ethnic Russians) and _Russländer_ (anyone
in or recently emigrated from the former Soviet Union), hence the _Russländer_
dialect of _Plautdietsch_ of people in or more recently immigrated from what used
to be the Soviet Union.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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