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09 January 2006 * Volume 02
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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.09 (01) [E]

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Ron wrote:
"..Cimbrian of the Carnian Alps....possibly indicating Celtic origin...."
Maybe, though the Cimbri are identified by Tacitus as living in the Jutland 
peninsula, modern Denmark.  They, along with the Chauci, are sometimes 
identifed as one of the tribes making up the Saxons.

Thanks for the language examples, I've never seen those languages before.

Paul.

PS Ron, when I hit the "reply" button, all the text on your message had 
strike-through!

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, one of my favorite Pauls!

You're absolutely right.  There does seem to be a connection between the 
_Zimbern_ of the Alps and the _Kimbern_ of Southern Sweden, Jutland and 
parts of Schleswig-Holstein (thus roughly overlapping with the Gothic 
homeland).  Those guys apparently moved southward, just as others did, such 
as Langobards, Goths and Vandals.  (Not that you can blame them climatewise, 
but ... geez! ... look at them now!  Oops!  Most of them are gone now, 
gobbled up.  Hurray for staying in the dreary Lowlands!  ;-) )  It must have 
been hellish up north then, though, what with those floods and stuff.

What that says about the names and my wild fantasies ... I don't know.  But 
for now I cling to the vain hope that Cymru (Wales), Cumbria, Cumberland, 
Cimmeria and Cimbria are all related.  (So sue me!)  It has been alleged 
that Cimbria is related to Saxon _kimme_ 'edge' (> now mostly _kimm_ ~ 
_kimming_ 'horizon').  So maybe that's what they all were: people on the 
edge, the periphery, and the Saxons called the Welsh that.  But noooo!  The 
OED has to disagree again, deriving the British names from Celtic _kombrogi_ 
('fellow countrymen' < sg. _kombrogos_).  Oh, sure!  Be like that!  I prefer 
my cutting-edge theory much better (and I'm unanymous in that).

Cheerio!
Reinhard/Ron

P.S.:

> PS Ron, when I hit the "reply" button, all the text on your message had 
> strike-through!

That's really weird!  And you're blaming moi?  ;-) 

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