LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (06) [E]

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23 March 2006 * Volume 06
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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (05) [E/LS]

Jonny says re "geeuwhonger"  < "Door seggt wii in uns LS _hungerfreetsch_
(adj./adv.) tou."

Jonny, my mother would call me a "Slickerfritz? (freets)?" when I kept
asking for candy. Does that have anything to do with LS hungerfreetsch. In
other words, does freetsch have to do with "Fritz" or "fressen"?  Jacqueline

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hoi, Jacqueline en Roger!

Does it help you if I transfer this _hungerfreetsch_ to Dutch-based 
spelling?  Here you go: _hongervreets(ch)_.

It contains _hunger_ ["hUN3`] (D <Hunger> NL <honger>) 'hunger' and _vreten_ 
["fre:t=n] (D <freten> NL <vreten>) 'to eat (as/like an animal)' (cf. German 
_fressen_).  (Normal for humans: _eten_ ["e:t=n] 'to eat')

The suffix _-sch_ added to nouns or verbs derives adjectives and adverbs 
that describe manner or character (historically probably starting as 
adverbs)probably; e.g.,

venyn ["fe'ni:n] (<Venien>) 'venom'
   > venynsch ["fe'ni:nS] (<veniensch>) 'venomous', 'shrewish', 'spiteful'

vynd [fi:nt] (<Fiend>) 'fiend', 'enemy'
   > vuyndsch [fy:(t)S] (<füün(d)sch>) 'hostile', 'angry'

aap [Q:p] (<Aap>, <Oop>) 'ape', 'monkey'
   > aapsch (<aapsch>, <oopsch>) 'affectated', 'dandyisch'

/freet-/ vreten ["fre:t=n] (<freten>, <fräten>) 'to eat (as/like an animal)
   > vreetsch [fre:tS] (freetsch>, <fräätsch>) 'ravenous', 'greedy (for 
food)'

glupen ["glU:p=m] 'to stare', 'to gawk', 'to ogle'
   > 'staring', 'ogling', 'greedy', 'lusty', 'boorish'

In Dutch and most LS dialects of the Netherlands, this _-sch_ has developed 
into _-s_.

I suspect that this suffix is related to the one that makes up language 
names, though in that case it preserves older _-i-_ where needed; e.g.,

Engelsch ~ Ingelsch ~ Engels 'English'
Duytsch ~ Duuts 'German' (Dutch: _Duytsch_ > _Duits_)
Deensch ~ Deens 'Danish'
Russisch 'Russian'
Schineys(i)sch ~ Schineys 'Chinese'
Japaansch ~ Japaans 'Japanese'
Fransch ~ Frans 'French"
Italieensch ~ Italieens 'Italian'
Spaansch ~ Spaans 'Spanish'
Poolsch ~ Pools 'Polish'
Kaschuubsch ~ Kaschuubs 'Kaschubian', 'Cassubian'
Greeksch ~ Greeks 'Greek'
Vreyssch ~ Vreys 'Frisian'
Amerikaansch ~ Amerikaans 'American'
Hamborgsch 'Hamburg dialect'
Mekelnborgsch 'Mecklenburg dialect'
Hollandsch ~ Hollands 'Hollandish', 'Dutch'
Belgisch 'Belgian'
Limborgsch ~ Limborgs 'Limburgisch'
Schotsch ~ Schots 'Scottish'

So this _-(i)s(ch)_ really expresses "in the manner of ..."  If you speak 
"Polish" you speak "in the manner of Poles."

Furthermore, this may well be related to _-sche_ > _-sch_ as a derivative of 
feminine forms, originally derived from masculine-associated titles or 
names; e.g., _möller_ 'miller' > _Möllersch(e)_ 'miller's wife' > 'female 
miller' or 'Mrs. Möller', _wikker_ 'warlock', (male) witch' > _wikkersch(e)_ 
'(female) witch' -- so, someone *associated* with someone.  (Apparently, 
this suffix was imported into Russian as -ша _-ša_ to derive feminine forms 
of professions.)

Back to _hungervreetsch_ ... I am not familiar with this word.  I would say 
_vreetsch_, _sloeksch_ (from _slukken_ 'to swallow') or _smachtig_ (from 
_smacht_ 'craving').

Groytens,
Reinhard/Ron 

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